SD on 21/6/2007 at 00:43
Quote Posted by User123abc
Some people use a two dimensional plane as opposed to a linear spectrum. Meaning, a liberal viewpoint is understood as one that tends to favor more economic control, but at the same time less social control.
The (
http://www.politicalcompass.org/) two axis thing is a bit closer to the way things are, but most (social) liberals are also pretty liberal on the economic thing too. My party is pretty much central on the economic axis ((
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/DannyClein/LibDems/SDcompass.png) I am no exception), so I wouldn't necessarily say that more economic control is intrinsic to the liberal viewpoint. It's probably accurate to say that no single word is going to be a handy catch-all term to describe someone's political beliefs.
Malygris on 21/6/2007 at 06:44
Not that I want to stir the already well-muddied waters, but I think jimjack's use of terms like liberal, conservative and PC in his original posts may have been misinterpreted. I believe he's actually referring to the Liberal and Conservative (also known as PC, for Progressive Conservative) political parties, the dominant entities in Canadian politics at both the federal and provincial levels. In that context, his use of the terms makes (slightly) more sense, and since as I recall he's still a bit of a n00b at this whole Great White North business, it's an easy enough mix-up to make.
Ultraviolet on 21/6/2007 at 07:12
Quote Posted by Aerothorn
And here I was, thinking the English were more sane/less conflicted about their sexuality than Americans.
Laws differ state by state. Think Ireland, England, Scotland (unless those actually DO all have the exact same laws -- I don't know, see, for I'm an American, just like you probably don't know how things work here because you're [i'm assuming, [IRRESPONSIBLE LEGAL CLAUSE REMOVED, ENFORCED RETROACTIVELY]] not an American). Anyway, I could drive up to Nevada and buy sex. I can't do that here in Arizona. The difference is in a few hours' driving time.
Hmm. So THAT's why we use so much gas.
Quote Posted by SD
It's probably accurate to say that no single word is going to be a handy catch-all term to describe someone's political beliefs.
QFT. If we went by the actual meaning of a word (which is to say using the word's general meaning, but to describe a political belief), liberals would be all about being free, and conservatives would be all about, uh, conservation. But, instead, we have ideas like "hate crime" (basically THOUGHT crime -- IMO murder is murder, regardless of motive), and uh... SUVs with "conservative" bumper stickers (poking the gas wasting thing here).
less-than-slash tongue-in-cheek greater-than
Anyway, regarding the policy mentioned in the first post: That's reminiscent of the JUNIOR ANTI-SEX LEAGUE (at least in that, if it's meant to influence the sexual mores of the youth, it'll achieve the purpose of killing human passion, and I don't think it's far-fetched to believe that someone somewhere wants that level control over people).
Kyloe on 21/6/2007 at 07:23
Quote Posted by Ultraviolet
...sue me if wrong
Sweet!
Ultraviolet on 21/6/2007 at 07:32
There you go making up quotes again!
Matthew on 21/6/2007 at 10:17
Quote Posted by Ultraviolet
Think Ireland, England, Scotland (unless those actually DO all have the exact same laws
Laws between the four countries are broadly the same, but often have different enacting legislation (e.g. the Companies Act 1995 doesn't cover NI, but the Companies (Northern Ireland) Order 1986 treads a similar ground). This doesn't, however, apply in many situations, for example land law which is totally different for all of the jurisdictions except England and Wales. Having said that, you will find instances where terminology, procedure, or exact requirements differ, but generally speaking if you are doing something criminal in England you will find it's probably criminal in NI or Scotland too.
Oddly, for a long time penalty points accrued in England against a Northern Irish driving licence weren't counted by the NI courts when determining if you were to be disqualified, and I believe vice versa.
With the advent of devolution in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales, expect things to begin to differ; Parliament can still of course enact legislation affecting the entirety of the UK for many things.
Ultraviolet on 21/6/2007 at 15:26
Well, criminal law has a lot of common ground world-wide, too. The thing here though is that, when it comes to figures determining at what iteration/amount/whatever something becomes criminal, those figures are determined on a state-by-state basis if no federal law already applies. The original point I was trying to make is that your sex crime laws might differ between England/Ireland/Scotland, but I don't know if or by how much.
For an example, I think there's one state where first-cousin marriage is still legal, and another (or maybe it's that same one) where age of consent is 14 or something. Those are probably dated, though. The world seems to be shrinking, and so are legal differences across political boundaries. Culture gets condensed when there are no physical boundaries between two groups, but laws get condensed when states within a body like this one don't stand up for their own legal rights over the course of a couple hundred years.
jimjack on 21/6/2007 at 17:29
Quote Posted by Malygris
Not that I want to stir the already well-muddied waters, but I think jimjack's use of terms like liberal, conservative and PC in his original posts may have been misinterpreted. I believe he's actually referring to the Liberal and Conservative (also known as PC, for Progressive Conservative) political parties, the dominant entities in Canadian politics at both the federal and provincial levels. In that context, his use of the terms makes (slightly) more sense, and since as I recall he's still a bit of a n00b at this whole Great White North business, it's an easy enough mix-up to make.
Compared to the UK..Canada is pretty politically diverse with dozens of political parites and keeping track of them is confusing..I might have just lumped all parties in one including the American ones..Im not sure, but I do know I need to chalk up on all that before making an offhand hint of it in a thread that was originally meant to be an outcry against touching. Whcih I would sorely miss if introduced in my school. Perverted as that will sound.
From my first Canadian socials class what I gleened from: and going seriously O.T
There are four parties in the Canadian governtment. The Liberal party, which has mainly governed Canada supporting social liberalism, social programmes, expanding immigration and promoting "Canadian Progress" ideas.
The Conservative is the ruling party and promote small government, low taxation, Christian morality, military and strengthne provincial government. If this anti-touch policy came to be..you know they'd be supporting that.
The Alliance party..conservativ, anti liberalist, and opposed to the current progressive conservative which they feel is "currupt and anti western being that they are only looking out for Ontario's best interests.
The Progressive Conservatiives..not sure what they are all about.
NDP..new democratic party..ties with the working class, labour movement
Stand up for free physcial contact.!!!.its what makes us human..only we can change the views of fucked up policies before they are passed through parliament..starting with a lynch mobbing of the principal, we are strong in numbers in these institutions of learning...
or something like that.
Matthew on 21/6/2007 at 17:34
Yeah, I just felt like copying out my undergrad essay. :p Generally speaking the age of consent is a year higher in Northern Ireland (17) than it is in the rest of the UK (16), except for Jersey and Guernsey, who don't allow some manwich lovin' until 18 for some reason.
Apparently the great state of Missouri has an age of consent of 14 in some instances, from what I can research.
jimjack on 21/6/2007 at 17:42
I actually got a 75% in that paper as well:thumb:
Last I heard, the age of consent in Canada..at least Alberta, is 14..I'm almost three years behind..I must get progressive here
