jay pettitt on 6/3/2008 at 19:11
Averroes - oh, the plan has been that these should be compulsory complete with fines and prison sentences for non compliance. (I know you didn't make that argument, I just thought I'd throw it in while I was at it)
I could rant about our respective governments, but the truth is I think we have it lucky. There's no guarantee that future governments will be so liberal or secular and frankly I don't want to see the precedent set where we fall over and give up liberties whenever the food bell tinkles. The UK government already sells personal information from the census, police records and whatnot to insurance companies and anyone interested who can foot the bill - that's not the sort of society I want to live in and I'd rather see it nipped it in the bud before it gets worse. In this instance, I'm afraid I don't aspire to be more like France.
Yes, it scares me.
nickie on 6/3/2008 at 19:14
Quote Posted by SD
Second, it's the cost. A scheme like this is going to cost a minimum of £5bn to set up and administer.
Don't worry SD, apparently they're going to sell the info to recoup the (
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7088315.stm) cost.
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But Baroness Williams said: "Because it is so expensive the government has proposed that it will sell our data to commercial interests who will then be able to track down every damn thing you do from dawn until dusk.
"And you won't be able to escape from it because the ID card which will be checked against your credit card will be a record of exactly where you've been, what you've done, who you've talked to.
I'm already thoroughly pissed off at being tracked everywhere I go by bloody cameras - a totalitarian society is not what I signed up for. Anyone know anywhere nice to live?
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Originally posted by jay pettitYes, it scares me.
It scares me too.
And @ Shadow Creepr - what do you mean by citizenship? We're subjects here.
Koki on 6/3/2008 at 19:36
Quote Posted by Spaztick
Did you bother to read? They don't just put your ID on it, they put everything about you on it as well.
Damn straight, I can let them know my name and address, but my height -
never!Actually, mine has both height and eye color on it. Oh shit biometrical data!
I still fail to see how ID cards are opressive and you just sound like bunch of kids about it. Here you get ID when you hit 18 and honestly, no one ever gave a fuck. It's just a plastic card, not a camera, microphone, or a goddamn GPS system which marks your location. The only way it limits my freedom is that I have to carry 2g more around.
Potentially exploitable? If you you have tech and means to fake an ID card, then you also have tech and means to fake money so why bother? And the national information database? Yeah I'm so scared somone will learn I have grey eyes.
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Yeah, but you continentals have always been rather less precious about surrendering your liberties than us.
This coming from a citizen of a country where there's one CCTV for 14 people and you can't but a butter knife untill you hit 16. I'll keep my opressive form of government slavery which prevents just about anyone pretending to be me, thanks.
jay pettitt on 6/3/2008 at 20:00
You clearly don't have a criminal mind. ID would very much allow me to pretend to be you.
mopgoblin on 6/3/2008 at 20:39
Quote Posted by Koki
Damn straight, I can let them know my name and address, but my height -
never!Actually, mine has both height and eye color on it. Oh shit biometrical data!
That's a pretty stupid comparison. Height and eye colour obviously aren't enough to uniquely identify a person from a population of any significant size. There are over 60 million people in the UK, so there'd have to be over 60 million unique height/eye colour combinations. With two attributes, that means at least one attribute must have over 7700 distinct values. That's assuming the attributes have independent uniform distributions (i.e. maximum entropy over a discrete domain); this will not be the case in the real world, so the number of distinct values required will be even higher.
Sulphur on 6/3/2008 at 20:45
Holy sarcasm, Batman!
Wait, you were joking with that post, mopgoblin... weren't you? Or being as sarcastic as Koki was, right?
Please say yes.
Aja on 6/3/2008 at 21:13
Quote Posted by Turtle
I'll be damned if I'm gonna let some Paki from the East side find out what my retina looks like!:mad: :mad:
goddamn right
Hidden_7 on 6/3/2008 at 21:51
You can always just do what the Yanks who were pissed off about the second bout of Bush did and move to Canada. Woo, Canada!
SubJeff on 6/3/2008 at 22:01
No, mophoblin is being serious - that's just the kind of failure to get things he does all the time.
I kept hearing how Koki was the new Zylonbane but it's only this last post that has shown me why they say so. At least big Z tries to make sense (somehow).
Koki - biometric data linked to the card is intended to be unique. It can include images of the face, iris and fingerprints. This isn't some French ID plastic piece of crap, this is 1984 style technology. This is "ok, everyone says you're Koki, you say it, all your documents say it but this here card says you're actually My Croft. Well Mr Croft, you're wanted for cyberlustgeekery I'm afraid, so follow me" type stuff.
It's not about eye colour - it's about irrefutable identification and mass data collection. Your life on a microchip. If you cannot see the massive power and danger such a thing would wield you're just stupid.
As to moving to Canada, Australia or one of our other outlying colonies; yeah I'm thinking about it.
