Vivian on 19/5/2008 at 17:55
Well, how would you define 'natural' then?
Queue on 19/5/2008 at 17:59
fett- that is indeed very much true, and agreed. But then again, I think most people are attention whores (societal conditioning)...why else would we have American Idol? I do believe that there are those that are borne that way.
As far as what you actually were saying (...once again, people read into things what they want to see) about anal sex--well, I can't believe how "acceptable" the act as become amongst teens as a form of birth control.
Kolya on 19/5/2008 at 18:06
Quote Posted by Vivian
Well, how would you define 'natural' then?
Quote Posted by Oscar Wilde
To be natural is such a very difficult pose to keep up.
Quote Posted by Queue
I can't believe how "acceptable" the act as become amongst teens as a form of birth control.
I find that quite natural when education about birth control devices is replaced by "True love waits".
EDIT: As far as the "scientific prove" about homo sex being unnatural goes: STFU, it's the same old prejudice coming in through the backdoor again. Unless you give gays the right to call you "unnatural" if you engage in any kind of activity that could be harmful to your health. It's their health and life and they have the same right to ruin it as you.
fett on 19/5/2008 at 18:13
Quote Posted by Vivian
Well, how would you define 'natural' then?
I don't think I would try to since my knowledge of the 'natural' behavior of species is limited to Animal Planet re-runs. ;) The intention of the last post wasn't to define 'natural', only to point out that 'natural' doesn't equal 'beneficial' or even 'normal' as a behavior affects a society as a whole. In other words, I could just as well say, "It's only natural for me to murder my superior so that I can climb the career ladder. It's called survival of the fittest and I'm fulfilling a basic natural need to provide food for my family." This may have worked in ancient society, and may have even been necessary to compete for food and shelter, but it doesn't work in today's society, regardless of whatever natural urges may drive me. Humans are distinguished from other animals precisely because we are able to curb and control 'natural' instincts for the betterment of the whole.
That being said, if you want to stick it in someone's pooper, I don't see how it's really hurting society. All I'm sayin' is you may be hurting yourself and the owner of said pooper if you're not very clean and careful.
Ohgod I've derailed the thread again. :erg:
jay pettitt on 19/5/2008 at 18:18
Quote Posted by fett
I'm not grouping homosexuality in with the above activities or calling it 'bad' or 'unnatural' - only saying that just because something is a natural or genetic impulse doesn't mean it gets a pass.
I think maybe there is some falling into automatic defense of the common, but unfounded charge that homosexuality is unnatural goin' on. Like you say, cancer is natural, cancer is particularly notable for killing people, cancer sucks. However, homosexuality isn't particularly notable for killing people and should therefore be looked upon more favorably.
I think the thing here is prejudice. Cancer might be bad, but you wouldn't necessarily want to employ the legal system to act with prejudice against the rights of cancer patients because that would suck. Homosexuality isn't comparably bad, yet...
Doesn't make much sense does it. Anyhow, Europe would like to welcome California (but not the rest of you backward fucks) into the bosom of civilisation. Europe also wonders what happened to sex with cattle.
Queue on 19/5/2008 at 18:22
*clapping and throwing rice*
Mazel Tov!
fett on 19/5/2008 at 18:44
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
I think maybe there is some falling into automatic defense of the common, but unfounded charge that homosexuality is unnatural goin' on. Like you say, cancer is natural, cancer is particularly notable for killing people, cancer sucks. However, homosexuality isn't particularly notable for killing people and should therefore be looked upon more favorably.
I'm reluctant to compare the two, but I should note that with the exception of smokers, cancer victims don't typically infect themselves, which is the case with much sickness my wife sees in the gay community. It's not because they're 'bad', just that they're ignorant. I'd really like it if with all the 'horaaahs!!' over legalizing gay marriage, there was equal expression of concern for the men involved who aren't usually aware of the diseases and infections that they are particularly susceptible to because of the type of sex they engage in regularly. I may be viewing this in a vacuum because of where I live, but my wife just doesn't see the same types of problems as frequently with heteros. Seriously -why doesn't the media ever address the dangers of anal sex in proportion to their endorsement of the gay lifestyle?
EDIT: I'm not implying that gays should be denied equal rights for any reason. (in re: to jay's post)
SubJeff on 19/5/2008 at 18:47
Vivian - lol. That article does as much to suggest that homosexuality
isn't genetic as the other way around. In fact some it can be used to suggest that homosexuality is nurtured - the bit about being later born with older brothers.
Quote:
it's the same old prejudice coming in through the backdoor again
Someone made a funny and I don't think they realise it.
And
I just realised I'm on fett's ignore list. Screw you fett, screw you. In the butt. If you could read this; promiscuity (if you are penetrated) is associated with anal and cervical cancer btw - it's a similar "you did it to yourself" case as most lung cancer cases. That's why we're having jabs for it in the UK in young women.
Anyway - back OT: I think we just about all agree with the gheys being okay. I've always wondered why so many religions forbid it though. What's the big deal?
Kolya on 19/5/2008 at 19:04
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Someone made a funny and I don't think they realise it.
I'll add a "LOL" for you next time so you know when to laugh.
SubJeff on 19/5/2008 at 19:06
VE HAVE VAYS oh forget it I can't be arsed
