Hidden_7 on 17/5/2008 at 07:28

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There's really no non-religious justification to limit marriage to a man and a woman. Same-sex and different sex relationships are pretty much the same in all other relevant factors, the emotional bond, sexual intimacy, co-habitation habits etc. etc. The only real differences are the biological sexes of the people involved and to invoke that would be begging the question, and the same-sex couple's inability to naturally concieve children, but considering we do not deny marriage to different-sex couples that are unable to conceive for whatever reason that can't be the big difference either. Note that a union between say, a man and a monkey or whatever, which is the slippery slope argument some employ and Fafhrd just called out sarcastically, DOES have signifigant differences between a union between two humans, their emotional bonds, co-habitation habits, etc. etc. what have you. (A big one is that the monkey cannot consent to marriage/sex/whatever) So that one gets shut down pretty quickly.

So really the only relevant difference between same-sex couples and different-sex couples that could justify extending marriage rights to one and not the other is religious endorsement/definition of one, and not the other. But considering that these are state-sactioned marriages including state provided-benefits, and the USA is a country that has a sepereation of church and state (last I checked) that can't be a valid justification.

If various religious factions wanted to have their own non-secular ceremonies and unions and deny those to same-sex couples that's cool, but those shouldn't enjoy the privledges and benefits sanctioned by the state that current marriage enjoys.

Further, as a Canadian, Old Hat :P

Ladron De La Noche on 17/5/2008 at 10:56

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http://xs227.xs.to/xs227/08206/sexy_monkey445.jpg

Mr.Duck on 17/5/2008 at 16:41

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Stop posting hawt monkey pics, I'm getting all frisky here...can barely contain my pants.

:cool:

Starrfall on 18/5/2008 at 21:59

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Vote away homie. Regardless of what happens this year gay marriage will be legal in California in your lifetime, unless you're 70 or you off yourself in the next 20 years or so. Your vote is the Ant of Entrenched Prejudice trying to stop the Steam Engine of Progress and Equality by standing on the tracks.

fett on 19/5/2008 at 12:57

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Aside from the "moral" issue (I could care less who people want to marry), I don't think many people are taking a realistic look at the medical implications of gay sex. As a nurse, my wife is constantly dealing with medical problems that permeate the gay community, mostly due to ignorance and unhealthy sexual practices. We live near Eureka Springs, a bastion for homosexual couples in Southern Missouri. Folks don't seem to understand much at all about the nature of STD's, and men especially don't seem to understand the the long-term effects of anal sex in the tissue of the anus, the digestive tract, and nearby organs. It's not an epidemic problem, but it's pretty horrible to see men in their 30's with colostomy bags and pelvic cancer because of the... er ...creative sexual adventures they've undertaken. The gay community is largely ignorant of the fact that deadly bacteria fills the anus and the lining tissue and can be transferred to other parts of the body very easily (if you get my meaning). In particular, she's treated lesbians with all manner of horrific vaginal and pelvic infections because of bacteria transfer from the anus to the vagina.

Shutupyou with the 'all gay people aren't pervs hurhurr'. I'm just saying that the media tends to ignore the fact that anal sex, for both men and women is dangerous, especially if it's habitual and/or unsanitary. If they're monogamous, they often don't understand how they contracted a particular infection. I think the media shies away from this aspect because it carries with it a tone of alarmist/religious anti-gay sex hoopla. For the rest of us, it's irresponsible to get so carried away with the social issue of gay marriage that we ignore the fact that, to some degree, nature frowns on things going in through the out door.

Er...what does any of this have to do with gay marriage?

All I'm saying is Stitch and Scots - you kids be careful. I'd hate to see you get hurt.