Malygris on 29/6/2006 at 12:09
Quote Posted by Shayde
I will fist you good!
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Printer's Devil on 29/6/2006 at 12:41
"A spokesman for gunmen in the Gaza strip..."
Whoah! Some guy speaking for some guys said...is weak, weak journalism. That aside, I'm not seeing any globe-spanning war erupting out of this, despite the usual breathless dispatches. I do find the regional logic puzzling, though. Electing a committed terrorist group into government almost seems like a schoolyard dare on the part of the Palestinians. A situation where gunmen and suicide bombers are essentially part of the civil service is an experiment bound to end in more tears.
Turtle on 29/6/2006 at 13:58
I got next after tungsten.
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Rogue Keeper on 29/6/2006 at 14:19
Quote Posted by Malygris
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I wouldn't provoke her... :weird:
Haegan on 29/6/2006 at 15:02
I must say, that was an excellent title for a thread though...
Stitch on 29/6/2006 at 15:38
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060629/ts_nm/mideast_dc) Israel arrests Hamas leaders
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Israel arrested dozens of Hamas cabinet ministers and lawmakers on Thursday in a move the Islamic group said aimed to topple its government, as the army pressed on with a Gaza offensive to free an abducted soldier.
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other Group of Eight foreign ministers said in a joint statement that the arrests in the occupied West Bank raised "particular concerns." They called on Israeli forces in Gaza to show restraint.
Did I miss something, or is this HUGE FUCKING ESCALATION? People more knowledgeable on this subject than me needed itt
Rogue Keeper on 29/6/2006 at 15:43
Fattah must be happy though. Or what.
ignatios on 29/6/2006 at 15:58
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Did I miss something, or is this HUGE FUCKING ESCALATION?
No fucking kidding. I can't say I'm in support Hamas in any capacity, but I do support Palestinian self-government. Just when they seem to be getting their shit together, Israel rolls in and says, "no."
But like Stitch my knowledge is pretty lacking both in current Middle East politics and in the history of similar situations.
Is there any historical precedent for negotiating for the life of captured soldiers? I realise it's complicated, but Israel is awfully quick to just storm the castle.
Jonesy on 29/6/2006 at 16:52
They've learned from Munich in '72 to A: not negotiate with them, and B: not have other security agencies/countries do their dirty work and fuck up.
aguywhoplaysthief on 29/6/2006 at 18:14
Quote Posted by scumble
You see, this is where things start to go wrong, because in a kind of nationalist way it assumes Israelis are more important than anyone else. Combine several countries doing "whatever it takes" and you've got yourself a war.
If everyone, always, went full bore in protecting their people, and everyone knew that everyone else would, then people wouldn't do the stupid shit to cause the problem in the first place.
Quote Posted by scumble
Aggression begets aggression.
Certainly that can be true, but don't ignore the fact that non-aggression can beget aggression as well.
