Papy on 27/6/2007 at 01:52
Quote Posted by LesserFollies
Not only is it simplistic, it's erroneous. Look it up, do some research.
It really depends on what you eat, on what kind of activity you are doing (only walking one hour is NOT being "active"), on the temperature and also on your personal metabolism. Any absolute is simplistic.
On average, I lose between 2 to 3 kg when I run. If I don't drink a lot, then I have serious muscle problems the morning after. Last Thursday, I spent the day on my mountain bike. During the day, I drank 4.5 liters of water, 1 liter of orange juice, and ate about 3 to 4 kg of fruits (mostly bananas, but also some apples and peaches). And as if it wasn't enough, at the end of the day I had a cereal attack and I ate about 500g of Vector (yes, I know that was a bad idea but I was tired and I didn't want to cook anything) with about 2 liters of milk. And you know what ? The morning after I was still a little dehydrated. I know not everybody is active, but it was just to show that any absolute rule is simplistic.
Shakey-Lo on 27/6/2007 at 02:20
Quote Posted by User123abc
I'm curious - is anyone here knowledgeable enough to tell me with some certainty whether or not the concentrations of chlorine and fluoride in US tap water are actually harmful?
Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face.
Tiamat on 27/6/2007 at 03:02
Quote Posted by User123abc
With fluoride, I actually somehow got the impression that it was even beneficial for the teeth.
It is, in fact, beneficial for teeth. Unfortunately, this is
all it's beneficial for. Swallowing the stuff is a generally bad idea, even in small amounts.
Edit: Actually, it isn't even beneficial for teeth in children under six. Excess fluoride during the formative years of your teeth causes a unique form of decay called fluorosis that looks disgusting and, in severe cases, badly pits the enamel. The real problem is what it does to soft tissue, though. There's also a skeletal version of fluorosis, but that's pretty hard to get from treated water - it's rather common in India and China, though.
Kolya on 27/6/2007 at 03:15
*gets a beer from the fridge*
:weird:
WHAT? I got thirsty from all the talk about drinking! Also beer is good for you. It's scientifically proven. With animals I think.
Pyrian on 27/6/2007 at 06:22
Safeguard your precious bodily fluids!
SD on 27/6/2007 at 07:38
Quote Posted by User123abc
I'm curious - is anyone here knowledgeable enough to tell me with some certainty whether or not the concentrations of chlorine and fluoride in US tap water are actually harmful?
Er, me?
*offended*Quote:
With chlorine, I've heard of everything from impotence to cancer to autism to absolutely no effect.
Linked fairly strongly to (
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=431777&in_page_id=1770) bladder cancer. Although I was really talking about the taste.
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With fluoride, I actually somehow got the impression that it was even beneficial for the teeth.
Jury is still out on the benefits for teeth. The All Party Parliamentary Group Against Fluoridation has a decent (
http://www.appgaf.org.uk/faqs/) FAQ and is a credible source (being composed of MPs). I don't think there's much doubt that medicating people withut their consent is unethical, either.
LesserFollies on 27/6/2007 at 13:30
First off, I said "fairly active," smartypants. And yes, aerobics four times a week and walking for an hour a day is considered fairly active.
(
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070615182233.htm)
“The public's impression of the amount of water that is necessary to drink for good health is not based on real factual data,” he says. “Many in our society have promoted the idea that you need to continually drink a large amount of fluid, such as 8 ounces of water eight times a day. But most people don't really need that much.”
(
http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/8glasses.asp)
"Consider that first commandment of good health: Drink at least eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day. This unquestioned rule is itself a question mark. Most nutritionists have no idea where it comes from. "I can't even tell you that," says Barbara Rolls, a nutrition researcher at Pennsylvania State University, "and I've written a book on water."
Kidney specialists do agree on one thing, however: that the 8-by-8 rule is a gross overestimate of any required minimum."
(
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20040227/how-much-water-do-you-need)
"How much water does a person need? The surprising answer: Nobody knows.
A new study makes an important first step in finding the answer. For the first time, a multicenter research team has found a way to measure water intake and urine output in healthy people going about their normal lives.
The findings offer several surprises, report University of Wisconsin-Madison researcher Aarthi Raman and colleagues in the February issue of the American Journal of Physiology-Renal. Perhaps the biggest surprise is that one piece of often-repeated advice -- elderly people need eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day -- may be wrong and even harmful."
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http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-242-302--5382-0,00.html)
Your Daily Drinking Requirement
The old formula--everyone needs eight glasses of water a day--is out. It has been replaced by formulas based primarily on your gender and body weight. Here are the formulas for moderately active men and women:
Male Drinking Requirement, in fluid ounces:
Body Weight x .35
Female Drinking Requirement, in fluid ounces:
Body Weight x .31
-------> As I have repeated again and again, I'm not talking about runners or heavy exercisers. I'm talking about silly sedentary people who run about with a bottle of water ALL THE TIME. They are wasting resources, their own and their employer's time, and possible endangering their health.
edited: to remove colons I accidentally put into the urls.
jasee on 27/6/2007 at 15:26
I drink water when I am thirsty. Always have done. When I want flavour I will have a cup of tea or some juice, and VERY rarely:rolleyes: a small glass of beer.
I always take fresh water to bed with me too.
I only ever worry if I am drinking enough water or not when my piss is dark. Its normally clear, so I dont worry that often.
I only buy bottled water when I go abroad to a country that has brown stuff coming out of the taps.
My only issue with water is that, as it's essential for life, I dont think we should pay for it (you know, paying companies to clean it and provide it - cos its mainly polluted by other companies anyway!!). Er - I aint forgetting that I have a bad ass and I do contribute to water pollution myself sometimes ha ha
I do think though that maybe it should be metered ... if you use water to drink, have a quick shower to freshen up everyday, etc etc, then you shouldn't pay for it.
BUT, if you have an olympic sized swimming pool that you top up everyday, 12 thirsty Llamas as pets, and ten cars that you INSIST on washing everyday, then you should pay through the nose for it.
Like I said - it's essential for life.
If you dont abuse it, it should be free, IMO
Ultraviolet on 27/6/2007 at 17:09
Yesterday, the water was not running down here in the trailer park for about 8 hours. Guess what I drank. BOTTLED WATER. Fuck you, San Francisco.
If you're trying to save water from being wasted by trendite fucks, ban the LITTLE bottles. One liter and up should be fine. And how the fuck... I mean, they shouldn't have the authority to BAN anything like that. Tax, maybe.
oh city departments whoops misplaced internets rage
BUT STILL FUCK YOU SAN FRANCISCO
Papy on 27/6/2007 at 17:37
Quote Posted by LesserFollies
First off, I said "fairly active," smartypants. And yes, aerobics four times a week and walking for an hour a day is considered fairly active.
Really ? Of course it depends on age... and I guess on culture. I live in Canada, and most of my neighbors take their cars to go to a store that is 1.1 km away. They consider this a long walk. I even saw one who took his to buy a newspaper at a store 150 meters away. When I lived in Europe, nobody did that kind of thing (although I admit it was 20 years ago, so things may have changed).
Ok, I'll stop teasing you, I'll be honest and say that, yes, compared to most other people I now know, you are fairly active. But I still think this kind of activity should be a minimum, not something to be proud of.
Now, back a little more on topic. Yes, I'll also agree with you that some people have an obsession with water. So ? Don't you think it's better for them to have an obsession with water than one with chips, popcorn, cookies, alcohol or even meat ? I certainly prefer someone with a bottle of water pretending to be hip than a fat guy eating a bag of chips.