peaknuckle on 4/11/2004 at 23:45
I come to this website daily for news about games, particularly Thief, SS2, and DX.
I do not come here for half-baked, paranoid, Michael Moore-ish lectures about the evils of President Bush. I can read that stuff all day long elsewhere. Not only that we have a place specifically for this type of discussion (which you cleverly avoided by putting it on the index page). If you wanted to post it on TTLG, it would have been perfect for the Community Chat or maybe some other forum, but not on the frontpage.
I considered fisking Witchboy's, by way of Saam, post. But it doesn't merit the energy that a point by point rebuttal would take. I will refute one thing. If you think Bush's adminstration is so radically right-wing to be of historic proportions, you have an extremely short memory. Hell, go back to Reagan, or even further, John F. Kennedy's (a president who knew that cutting tax rates would raise revenue) was more right wing than Bush's. Jeesh, read a history book.
You've fallen into the trap that got the Democrat's roundly defeated this year, you've bought into the hyperbole. Franken, Garafalo, Moore, Dowd, ad nauseum, all say the same things. Republicans are evil, they want to starve children and throw old people out in the street and take there medications away from them. If the good Democrats, who should've nominated Joe Leiberman, won't disavow the crazy rhetoric, they will continue to sink into the wastebin of history. Normal people just don't trust people who say wild-assed things, or the people who stand by and smile while people say wild-assed things.
Even if I'm the only person who visits TTLG who feels this way(and I'm not), that post was inappropriate for the Index page of TTLG.
Let the evisceration of Peaknuckle begin...
mOdEtWo on 5/11/2004 at 10:51
This is a community site, not just a forum for news about games. And why don't you just ignore the news article if it is not in your interest to read it?
henke on 5/11/2004 at 12:31
I think he(peaknuckle) has got a point. I'd be pretty pissed off(or anoyed, at least) if I saw an article on the frontpage where someone's promoting Bush. Especialy when you don't realy get a chance to directly retort to it.
Lake on 5/11/2004 at 13:27
I though it was going to be a simple 'do your duty and vote' message until I got the anti-Bush rhetoric. Sad.
Saam on 6/11/2004 at 16:33
I definitely see your point; and thanks for the feedback. It was something that I didn’t think up as ‘hey harvey can I post this on the front page?’ but more like a ‘hey saam, can you post this on ttlg?’
I've taken it down, though, as I had also cross-posted it on Community Chat.
Dario on 8/11/2004 at 15:31
Quote Posted by peaknuckle
What Peanuckle said...
You're right, and I agree. I guess all is well as Saam has removed it; thanks.
I read an article in the paper today written by Newt Gingrich who said that the democrats lost alot of ground by openly talking smack and "looking" like they were totally anti-Bush. Going flat-out anti-ANYTHING makes lots of people go the other way simply to not be on the side of the fanatics, nor give them the pleasure of winning a follower by means of unfair smack-talking.
Movies, music, and media especially make alot of people go the opposite way, because they put on the show that "we are all against Bush and are abusing our power"... something also that Newt Gingrich was saying in that article.
Anyway, yeah,... TTLG is a bipartisan house, so debate topics are best discussed within, rather than posted on the front door as to piss off half of the people coming in. :joke: Who cares... all is well. Bush won :D (just messing with you)
SD on 11/11/2004 at 01:59
I think the statement was perfectly acceptable. Not ony that, but I think TTLG was a perfect place for it.
Let's not labour under any illusions - if the present administration had their way, then games we know and love, like Thief and Deus Ex, would be under serious threat of bannage or censorship.
SD
TheGreatGodPan on 11/11/2004 at 15:52
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
I think the statement was perfectly acceptable. Not ony that, but I think TTLG was a perfect place for it.
Let's not labour under any illusions - if the present administration had their way, then games we know and love, like Thief and Deus Ex, would be under serious threat of bannage or censorship.
SD
Isn't TTLG the place for people who aren't satisfied with the sex'n'violence approach to games? If one of the major goals of a game's designers is to make it possible to play through without killing anybody, doesn't that tend to keep if off the censor's shit list, especially if it doesn't sell many copies? Manhunt, that's a game that would be likely to get censored. I don't think the current administration gives much of a damn. I certainly don't recall them saying anything about it. And the Thief series, while it does involve the illegal activity of theft, seems no more the target of censors than "To Catch a Thief". Cripes, one almost wishes there was more censorship so better games could be more succesful and better companies (like TTLG) could thrive :joke: .
mopgoblin on 12/11/2004 at 00:35
TTLG isn't a company. Looking Glass Studios was the company that made Thief etc. Through the Looking Glass is just this website.
Aerothorn on 12/11/2004 at 00:42
Normally I would agree, but peaknuckle's rather bullshit post made me ignore his points.
There's a moral here: Stick to the point when making a complaint. If you go off on bullshit tangents (People who think Bush's administration is more conservative then Kennedy's haven't ever read a history book?)? Franky, I'm sick and tired of this whole "liberals vs conservatives' mentality, and when people like peaknuckle make posts that just slab labels and slander everyone who thinks differently then them, it makes me not really care about their particular gripes.
