David on 17/2/2007 at 19:42
Well no, not really. A 64 bit consumer CPU is still x86, so the move from a 32 bit x86 Celeron to an x86-64 Core 2 Duo would not be analogous to the move from the x86 Pentium 3 in the the Xbox to the Tri-Core PowerPC in the Xbox 360.
DaveW on 17/2/2007 at 20:49
Quote Posted by David
Well no, not really. A 64 bit consumer CPU is still x86, so the move from a 32 bit x86 Celeron to an x86-64 Core 2 Duo would not be analogous to the move from the x86 Pentium 3 in the the Xbox to the Tri-Core PowerPC in the Xbox 360.
It's still just a new processor. Whether or not it's different architecture is indifferent.
rachel on 17/2/2007 at 20:57
You seem to be misapprehending the difference between "better stuff of the same kind" and "better stuff of a totally new and/or unrelated kind".
Hint: upgrading is the first one.
If you use a totally different architecture, you have to change the rest of the machine to support it. You end up with a totally new machine. Voilà, no upgrade. Replacement.
From your standards, I can buy a Boeing 747 because I'm tired of my bike, and call it an upgrade in my favourite method of transportation.
DaveW on 17/2/2007 at 21:06
Quote Posted by raph
If you use a totally different architecture, you have to change the rest of the machine to support it. You end up with a totally new machine. Voilà, no upgrade.
Replacement.
From your standards, I can buy a Boeing 747 because I'm tired of my bike, and call it an upgrade in my favourite method of transportation.
A bike is a labour-powered mode of transportation, a 747 is a giant plane. A processor is a processor, new architecture doesn't change that it's just a
better proccesor than the previous model. And yes, you're replacing parts...but then that's the same as an upgrade, surely? Getting a new graphics card is replacing your old one, which would also be called
upgrading it.
Mortal Monkey on 17/2/2007 at 21:14
I really hope you're upgrading your CPU in the very near future. I hear that the Motorola 68K are pretty good and cheap. You might have to bend some of the pins to make it fit in your current socket, though.
In other news, you can't compare two processors of different architectures, because there's no way you can make them run the same test application without emulation.
rachel on 17/2/2007 at 21:14
I can still duct tape cardboard wings to the bike and put cards in the wheels to make an awesome ENGINE SOUND, if you prefer.
Then I can take off and join the WHOOOSH that my analogy makes flying miles over your head.
The Alchemist on 17/2/2007 at 21:51
This is the most amazing awesome-est debate ever. It's fagtacular. Dare I say fagtastic.
Ziemanskye on 17/2/2007 at 23:14
In my case, I just didn't know the 360 was such a different processor - I just thought it was a bigger one of what they had before, hence why I agreed it might be an "upgrade".
If it's PowerPC versus x86 though, well, that's a different matter: they just don't talk to the rest of the system the same way as each other.
Oh sure, it's probably still "data bus" this and "address bus" that and whatnot, but it gets to the point of saying English and French are the same because both have a sentance structure.
DaveW on 18/2/2007 at 03:11
Quote Posted by Ziemanskye
Oh sure, it's probably still "data bus" this and "address bus" that and whatnot, but it gets to the point of saying English and French are the same because both have a sentance structure.
French has
sentence structure?While I would say myself that the Xbox360 is a new console and wouldn't say it's an upgrade in casual conversation, that is what it is when it comes down to it.
Ziemanskye on 18/2/2007 at 10:35
Been a long time since I claimed my English was good.
Which may be unfortunate, given it's my native language.
