R'Mgedon on 15/1/2011 at 10:43
Can anyone point me in the direction of any discussions about Thief, GarrettLoader, Darkloader etc and any problems installing them on a Windows 7 computer? Thanks in advance
Xiaopang on 15/1/2011 at 10:57
I'm running everything on Wn7 x64. Not a single problem here.
gnartsch on 15/1/2011 at 11:30
Quote Posted by R'Mgedon
Can anyone point me in the direction of any discussions about Thief, GarrettLoader, Darkloader etc and any problems installing them on a Windows 7 computer? Thanks in advance
This is an interesting question. Especially since I will soon switch to a new multicore PC with Windows 7 too.
There are quite a couple of known issues, but for some reason there seems to be no dedicated thread covering all the possible issues you must expect to run into.
One might believe that these would be discussed in the (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=81) technical forum, but obviously there is not much going on on this forum.
I wonder why there is no dedicated/sticky that outlines the problems and how to address them ?Since more and more people are switching hardware and OS, I think such a thread would be really helpful.
Right now, I guess you will need to go to 'Advanced Search' and use 'Search Titles only' for 'Windows 7' yourself.
Some known issues I recall :
- make sure Thief2 uses one core only (
processor affinity)
- make sure Thief2 does not run in '
Compatibility Mode'. see (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133683&highlight=nvscript) NVScript not running
- never install into 'c:\program files (x86)'
- also avoid blanks in pathnames for anything you install
- I seem to recall that some people mentioned that installing Thief2 via (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131106) TafferPatcher helped them a lot
Xiaopang on 15/1/2011 at 12:14
Quote Posted by gnartsch
There are quite a couple of known issues, but for some reason there seems to be no dedicated thread covering all the possible issues you must expect to run into.
How can you cover operating specific issues if they don't exist? Windows 7 is a lot more compatible with older apps than XP ever was.
Quote Posted by gnartsch
- make sure Thief2 uses one core only (
processor affinity)
No Windows 7 issue, but a multicore one that affects all systems from XP onwards.
Quote Posted by gnartsch
- make sure Thief2 does not run in '
Compatibility Mode'.
Also no Win 7 issue, since no program starts in compatibility mode unless you set it to. Btw, setting Thief 2 to lets say XP compatibility mode does NOTHING. It just starts the program the same as with no compatibility mode.
Quote Posted by gnartsch
- never install into 'c:\program files (x86)'
Why? It is the folder dedicated to programs. All my Thief games are installed there and all run well.
Quote Posted by gnartsch
- also avoid blanks in pathnames for anything you install
Also no problem...
Seriously, all you have to do is install the games and run them. May be set the affinity if you have a multicore system and you're done. No reason to treat this like this was a big deal. What you're doing is spreading rumors and establishing an urban myth without the knowledge nor the proof. Bad practice in the very least...
Pemptus on 15/1/2011 at 12:21
Yeah. At least try running stuff and reading the stickies before posting a new topic. It's common courtesy.
Sagittal on 15/1/2011 at 12:38
I used (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131106&p=1965795&viewfull=1#post1965795) Tafferpatcher to install Thief2 on my Windows 7 64-bit laptop a few months back and I would really recommend it. No problems experienced to date with the OMs and FMs I have played. I use Darkloader 4.3 for the FMs.
Tafferpatcher will sort out the DDfix, multi-core and widescreen mods (amongst others) for you pretty easily - you just need an existing install OR the original Thief2 discs.
Apart from making sure Thief2 and Darkloader are installed in a separate C:\Games directory or similar (in their own subdirectories), - ie
not C:\Program Files - and that "Run as Administrator" was applied to each .exe I didn't do anything else.
gnartsch on 15/1/2011 at 13:10
Quote Posted by Xiaopang
How can you cover operating specific issues if they don't exist? Windows 7 is a lot more compatible with older apps than XP ever was.
Seriously, Xiaopang,
If you would follow the problems on the forum you would notice that even experienced
FM authors spent weeks & months in the past trying to get Thief running again on their new equipment.
So, don't say there are no problems, just because you did not run into anything like that.
I just try to provide some help - and I pointed out that I am not on Win7, yet.
Why I mentioned multicore ?
Chances are good that people switch hardware & OS at the same time.
Not sure if you thought that this thread is a just poll.
Quote Posted by Xiaopang
I'm running everything on Wn7 x64. Not a single problem here.
For sure it was not helpful at all.
R'Mgedon,
seems like Telliamed has created a (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1854699#post1854699) Win7 compatible version for DarkLoader.
Xiaopang on 15/1/2011 at 16:06
Quote Posted by gnartsch
If you would follow the problems on the forum you would notice that even experienced
FM authors spent weeks & months in the past trying to get Thief running again on their new equipment.
Then back up your claims. I can verify all of them as false. Just because others have problems doesn't mean that it's due to the OS.
Quote Posted by gnartsch
So, don't say there are no problems, just because you did not run into anything like that.
There are no problems unless they are created by exotic setups and/or user mistakes, or do you want to imply that my Windows 7 miraculously differs from others that are available? You're welcome to prove me wrong.
Quote Posted by gnartsch
I just try to provide some help - and I pointed out that I am not on Win7, yet.
Well, as great as that is, it doesn't change the fact that you posted rumors that are also false. The only thing that you accomplish by doing that is sending people the wrong way if something goes actually wrong.
Quote Posted by gnartsch
Why I mentioned multicore ?
Chances are good that people switch hardware & OS at the same time.
Still doesn't change the fact that this is no Win7 issue. Multicore has been around for 7 years. You want to include some help for those switching from AGP to PCIe? LOL
Quote Posted by gnartsch
Not sure if you thought that this thread is a just poll.
Not sure why you'd think that I'd think that.
SinisterShadow on 15/1/2011 at 17:28
Quote Posted by Xiaopang
Then back up your claims. I can verify all of them as false. Just because others have problems doesn't mean that it's due to the OS.
Technically … yes. But you are an experienced IT affine person and can easily fix any problems that you may face. You know where to look and what to change. Not everyone here on the forum has that abilities. Yes, some of those issues had been around for quite some time now. But in the meantime the OS has changed and so did some of the switches where to set one or two things right. How about stop complaining about how stupid this thread might be and start letting the not-so-technically-advanced taffers ask their questions?
Quote:
There are no problems unless they are created by exotic setups and/or user mistakes, or do you want to imply that my Windows 7 miraculously differs from others that are available? You're welcome to prove me wrong.
You should know better than that. Any installation of OS differs from almost any others when it comes to installation of application software and hardware drivers.
