Ulukai on 12/1/2009 at 19:40
Come on, Koki, you'd be disappointed if a dog shat a golden turd.
Fringe on 12/1/2009 at 20:00
It would still be dog shit.
Ulukai on 12/1/2009 at 20:06
You find a dog that does that, you send him on over.
Update: For those of you who
are interested in Windows 7, you might want to subscribe to the (
http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/) Engineering Windows 7 Blog, via RSS. Has made pretty interesting reading over the past couple of months.
Renzatic on 12/1/2009 at 21:50
Quote Posted by Koki
I bet it's one of these things you don't even realize exist until you read a cleanup guide. Like search indexing or something.
I'm thinking it's more along the lines of a driver conflict. A thrashing harddrive alone wouldn't slow the machine down as much as what I'm seeing.
Quote:
"Much faster than Vista, 100MB over normal XP load" is still 100MB over normal XP load. And for what?
Keep in mind that this is my tidied up XP installation vs. 7 untouched. Course 7 is gonna take up more ram regardless of what I do. It's still basically Vista after all. But it seems to use available resources far more wisely and sparingly. That alone is enough to make it a better OS in my eyes.
BEAR on 12/1/2009 at 23:36
I think microsoft has the problem of not knowing their audience, or having too big of an audience.
A cousin of mine works at Microsoft and we were talking about this over Christmas (he had to work pretty hard to defend vista while acknowledging its problems, and its family so we didn't give him too hard of a time), and we were talking about a recent tweak guide a friend of ours did for XP to streamline it and all the absurd services and what not that are turned on by default, like IPSEC (apparently about which there was a lot of internal discussion, with the eventual decision to leave it enabled in vista and possibly windows 7), which next to nobody uses, at least in the consumer world, and in the corperate world there is no reason that couldn't be governed by group policy and other domain tools.
Also, like IPSEC, all the domain services are turned on be default. Most consumers and a large percentage of XP users aren't joined to a domain, but that stuff takes up resources anyways. So rather than creating a good interface by which users can enable what services they need, microsoft seems to favor the shotgun approach. My impression was that windows 7 fixed some of those problems by turning off a lot of the useless compatibility stuff that mac OS's might have always had turned off (I don't know mac's well enough to know).
I'll reserve judgment for when I actually get to use it, but I'm going to give it a chance.
Renzatic on 13/1/2009 at 02:43
It works! I had to do some complicated bullshit no one should ever be forced to do, but at least it's running.
So, Base screwing around results:
It does eat up a good bit more ram than XP. I had 10 IE windows open and a couple of instances of media player, and it ate up around 1.2 Gb available. With XP, I probably would've been sitting comfortably at 1.5 Gb free, if not more. On the plus side, this is still far less than what Vista would've been eating.
The thing is speedy. Other than maybe a couple of seconds hang time when opening IE8 for the first time, everything pops up right when I click on it.
Also it's pretty and makes me feel futuristic. Considering I like being pandered to, and I have this sorta...well...blush...love affair with shiny stuff like tin foil and flashlights, I think Windows 7 is the absolute bees knee.
Bugs I've seen so far:
It won't let me activate. Thing keeps telling me I don't have a Genuine Windows Product, and then gives me a security error when I try to activate it online. Also, the entire activation process kills my background image. Nothing earth shattering yet.
Next I'm gonna install Modo, Photoshop, Crazybump, and Fallout 3. Run it through it's paces. I'm also gonna see what I can turn off to help slim 7 up a bit. Any suggestions from the Vista folks will be quite helpful here.
Dario on 14/1/2009 at 15:10
Going to install today... :thumb: Hopefully I get a free copy when it comes out, for turning in a bug report (like they did with Vista, so I read).
Ulukai on 14/1/2009 at 20:09
Been using this a few days now, and it is a speedy joy to use, even on a cruddy old IDE disk, which it rates as 3.0 / 7.9.
I love sticky notes.
Aero taskbar screen preview is wicked fast, although it rates my 2 year old graphic card as 7.9/7.9, so it damn well should be.
It just feels...slick.
Renzatic on 14/1/2009 at 22:13
It is a damn slick piece of software. I've tried throwing everything I could at it, had 15 firefox windows open, Modo with a 300,000 poly object on dec, the trial version of Photoshop CS4 (which I'm not too terribly thrilled about, btw), iTunes, all that good stuff, all open at once, and it performed flawlessly. I could still sift though the Aero preview windows without a hitch and alt-tab between stuff without any delay.
The only downside is that it ate up a goodly chunk of ram. With all that open, it topped out at about 1.7 Gb. Not as much as what Vista would require for the same amount of windows, but still more than it'd use in XP. Granted I haven't turned off any unnecessary services as of yet, and I've got Aero running full tilt sans transparencies. But still, tweaked or no, I doubt I'll ever get it running as lean as XP.
Oh well. It ain't exactly a hog, just a little fatter around the waist, and ram is dirt cheap nowadays. I'll deal with it.
So anyway, despite the fact the thing is still early beta, it feels solid enough to be about ready to roll down the production line. Beyond my initial problems running it with my drive in the SATA2 port, and a couple of little icon problems, it hasn't given me a bit of problems. As long as nothing catastrophic happens between now til the end of beta, I'll have it on my comp until MS forces me to buy it.
Edit: (
http://users.chartertn.net/greymatt/w7_1.jpg) Obligatory screenshot. I haven't used Windows Media Player much recently, but this new one looks like it apes a helluva lot from iTunes.
Nameless Voice on 14/1/2009 at 22:50
Has anyone tried any of the Dark Engine games on this yet?
I'm curious if they still run on it, and if it supports fog table emulation (since it seems that Vista didn't).
Edit: That obligatory screenshot looks like a Mac.
