bjack on 3/6/2016 at 23:23
I spent the better part of 2013 and 2014 migrating a number database systems from Sun Solaris to SUSE Linux. This was DB2 LUW and the two platforms were not compatible. No backup and restore migration here, it was push and pull. Fun when you have thousands of stored procedures and lots of RI to deal with. Anyway, the company did this solely because the hardware needed to be replaced and SUSE is far cheaper as an OS than a new Sun box. I used the opportunity to get them upgraded a few versions higher on DB2. It used to be my specialty, until I was outsourced. Can't compete with someone that will work for 50% less.
I've also worked for companies that were completely married to Lotus Notes, only to can it for Exchange. In another case, we migrated an entire corporation from Novell to MS. Yes, corporations will completely change everything. I do agree though that something like a new Facebook has to be much better for people to move. There is a big difference in migrating 500 to 10K people and billions.
EvaUnit02 on 7/6/2016 at 14:26
Quote Posted by dj_ivocha
Some 20/30-something neckbeards probably like having a choice and at least a little bit more privacy, among other things. Stuff 73-year-old dads understandably probably don't care as much about.
What lack of choice? Every in-place W10 upgrade from W7 & 8.1 and clean install with a W7 or 8.1 key that I conducted so far has yielded Win 10 Pro which lets you defer upgrades.
I've noticed that USA can be a bit of ghetto when it comes technological progress, so maybe W7 Home Edition is more common over there but that's not really the case in NZ AFAIK.
dj_ivocha on 8/6/2016 at 00:35
Quote Posted by EvaUnit02
What lack of choice? Every in-place W10 upgrade from W7 & 8.1 and clean install with a W7 or 8.1 key that I conducted so far has yielded Win 10 Pro which lets you defer upgrades.
Now that you remind me, that's another point some people dislike. The issue with Home is obvious, but even with Pro you can't defer security updates (at least that's what I've read, since I don't have Win10 myself). Assuming that's indeed the case, I don't think I have to tell you why that might be a bad idea, but just in case - (
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3004441/microsoft-windows/microsoft-surreptitiously-reissues-botched-patch-kb-3097877-for-windows-7.html)
But what I actually meant with my previous post was the multiple times Microsoft has tried (and sometimes succeeded) to upgrade Win7 to Win10 without giving the users the option to opt out and/or making it really hard to decline that.
Not to mention that by doing the above they are actually decreasing the security of everyone by forcing some people to completely disable the security updates of their older versions of Windows just to be able to avoid the automatic upgrade to 10.
Renzatic on 8/6/2016 at 00:50
Quote Posted by dj_ivocha
Now that you remind me, that's another point some people dislike. The issue with Home is obvious, but even with Pro you can't defer security updates (at least that's what I've read, since I don't have Win10 myself).
You can, sorta. With Pro, you can check the Defer Update box, which sets you on what's basically a long term support branch, usually meant for businesses. You won't get any updates until they've been run through the fast ring, the slow ring, and the home release ring first. They're thoroughly tested by the time they reach you.
I'm pretty neutral about the whole automatic update things. While I can see the downsides, especially when MS rolls an update down the pipes that fucks a bunch of computers over, for the most part, I consider it a good thing. 99.9% of the viruses people tended to get on previous versions of Windows would've been a problem easily prevented with regular software updates. I keep everything up to date myself.
It's an all but invisible process with Win10. At least until it's not, which I have yet to run into.
heywood on 8/6/2016 at 01:10
I have already been fucked by a Win 10 update. Last Nov, Microsoft put out an update that broke NIC teaming and VLAN tagging. It is still unresolved nearly 8 months later and Microsoft has been silent about it and has no ETA for a fix. We have machines with Intel NICs and Intel has occasionally provided some status updates, but mostly they are left in the dark as much as the rest of us. These are not features that are important to most home users but are essential for a lot of enterprise users who need teaming for high availability or VLANs for performance or security.
I also have plenty of scars from problematic Windows updates on my home systems, and with family members. Most of these were in the WinXP days, and in the early days of Vista. With Win 7, my experience has been very good for the most part, but just in the last year I've been seeing more problems.
Renzatic on 8/6/2016 at 01:20
Dumb question, but have you tried uninstalling the update that broke it?
On that same note, it does seem MS has developed a new bad habit, now that Win10 is on a biyearly rolling update schedule. These days, it seems that they wait for the big version releases for bug fixes, only using Patch Tuesday for security issues or systemwide showstopping bugs.
heywood on 8/6/2016 at 01:51
Well, yes, we rolled back and we're stuck on a Win 10 build that is now about 10 months old. This issue is keeping Win 10 in the lab and away from production systems for now.
bjack on 8/6/2016 at 04:13
Probably an excellent and prudent call, Heywood. Give it at least a year. Then again, considering the wholesale collapse of quality control over the past 10 years... that may be too optimistic. ;) As a home user now, Win10 is doing OK for me. If buying a new box, then sure, bring it on. If you have a system already running Win 7 and everything is peachy? Maybe wait a little. But that wait is done very soon. No more freebee update after July whateverith. No regrets for me so far. Then again, I do not care if I lose this box and have to rebuild, other than the hassle of the time. Not a common circumstance.
faetal on 8/6/2016 at 08:23
I tend to always give a new OS a year or so to iron out its quirks. MS has strong form for delivering very a decent OS after a few updates.
I still think 8.1 is the best version of Windows I've used, despite not caring about the metro interface.
heywood on 8/6/2016 at 08:50
We would have preferred to stay on Win 7 until Win 10 matured, but Microsoft forced our hand by ending Win 7 sales. We have a Microsoft ELA so we can pick and choose what version we use internally, but when we're doing projects for customers we have to be able to buy licenses for new machines that we can transfer.
Windows 8.1 wasn't really a choice since it became difficult to buy Enterprise upgrade licenses from our usual suppliers shortly after Win 10 was released, and we weren't using it internally, and we knew it was a dead end. The Enterprise version of Win 10 also has some security features which are very appealing.
