demagogue on 14/4/2013 at 16:56
T4 will certainly have better looking art direction, models, architecture, voice acting (putting aside who does it, it'll still be very professionally done) ... all the assets, I mean.
I think for actual level design it'll be a competition. You could argue FMs pull ahead -- T4 should have maps made for one-off experiences -- so more scripted events, linearity, and mini-game things like funneling the player through the designated parkour route, which doesn't make for good level design according to the classic principles of open, non-linear levels that we like. But then again a lot of FMs don't think self-consciously about their level design and make newbie mistakes too, and T4 should avoid those. So T4 levels should be better than average FMs, but maybe just under classic FMs that really nail the open, non-linear design.
T4 will have more to work with in storytelling just by virtue of having a full-on campaign to do it. Even when FMs have a full-on campaign, it is such a massive task that it's hard to maintain the ambition. E.g., frobber's Keeper of the Prophecies had a good story over a longer campaign, but he had to reuse maps to do it too. It's just almost too much to expect one person to make so many new massive maps by themselves. And group campaigns like T2X have to contend with democratic decisionmaking, which fragments the storytelling a bit, or when they try to be more autocratic (like Cosas & HI), they don't get finished...
FMs don't create their own gameplay mechanics, they just inherit T2 (or TDMs in that case), so it's not really fair to compare mechanics.
snowcap21 on 14/4/2013 at 19:39
That question is hard to answer for me, because of Thief 4 I want something different than of the FMs. FMs gave me a lot of fun in a more or less familiar setting that I didn't want to leave after finishing the games. And many of them are so great that I can't praise them enough. But what I, probably naive, hope for Thief 4 is to discover the same in a new way (sorry, can't explain that better). I'm looking there for a different quality so that's not really to compare.
webe123 on 14/4/2013 at 20:44
I am gonna laugh when this turns out to be some shooter version and thief is an assasin!
Then I can tell people who IGNORANTLY believe that the new Thief 4 will be anything else "I told you so"!
I simply think this game is going to be garbage. From what I have seen, it does not look promising.
This is Thief we are talking about.... NOT HITMAN!
And I LOVE the Hitman series, don't get me wrong...but it just would NOT be accepted by the Thief communiuty if this is what Thief 4 turns out to be.
Don't believe me? Watch and see.
Kuuso on 14/4/2013 at 21:31
I would gladly trade one webe123 for ten console kiddies.
Renzatic on 14/4/2013 at 21:50
Quote Posted by Kuuso
I would gladly trade one webe123 for ten console kiddies.
Be careful what you wish for. He might be obnoxious, but console kiddies are worse. Would you really trade him for a bunch of lily white 14 year old XBox Live CODBLOPS players running around, screaming...
"What's this wussie casual faggot crap, yo? I wanna shoot at niggaz, not sneak around 'em, you know what I'm sayin'? I'm hardcore as all get out, rite? I wanna be like BOOM! HEADSHOT, then niggaz fall to tha floor from my mad skillz, yo! 69'n afta' 420', brahs! Ya feel? MY WOW RAID SKILLZ IS BALLS WILD, DAWG! I ROLL UP A FURY WAR COW WITH MAD GEARZ 'N STATZ AND GET ALL CRAY CRAY UP IN SCHOLOMANCE, BRAH-BRAY-BRO! I OUTTA HEA'! PACE"!
...I wouldn't want that. Oh no. I wouldn't want that at all.
Yamatotakeru on 14/4/2013 at 22:41
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Be careful what you wish for. He might be obnoxious, but console kiddies are worse. Would you really trade him for a bunch of lily white 14 year old XBox Live CODBLOPS players running around, screaming...
"What's this wussie casual faggot crap, yo? I wanna shoot at niggaz, not sneak around 'em, you know what I'm sayin'? I'm hardcore as all get out, rite? I wanna be like BOOM! HEADSHOT, then niggaz fall to tha floor from my mad skillz, yo! 69'n afta' 420', brahs! Ya feel? MY WOW RAID SKILLZ IS BALLS WILD, DAWG! I ROLL UP A FURY WAR COW WITH MAD GEARZ 'N STATZ AND GET ALL CRAY CRAY UP IN SCHOLOMANCE, BRAH-BRAY-BRO! I OUTTA HEA'! PACE"!
...I wouldn't want that. Oh no. I wouldn't want that at all.
I just imagined Thief 4 with that kind of voice chat... Thank the Builder there won't be any multiplayer in the game :p
FenrisUlf on 15/4/2013 at 01:51
Quote Posted by Kuuso
I would gladly trade one webe123 for ten console kiddies.
Damn! that's quite an exchange rate! And I didn't realize they came in 10-packs.
FenrisUlf on 15/4/2013 at 02:07
This might seem odd to say but I think something Thief 4 needs is multiplayer. And I really HATE multiplayer games in general. But in this case there could easily be a largescale co-op mode with missions across a whole city. As well as competitive missions where you are trying to best your comrades by stealing the most loot .
Granted this concept would only really be fun playing against others that didn't treat the game as quake. Still it would be fun. I can see all the people running around bonehoard now. :)
running into each other in the water tunnels hahaha
jtr7 on 15/4/2013 at 03:10
Apparently EM's outsourcing multiplayer for T4, so I expect that to happen. Outsourcing it's what I hoped they would do, but I don't know how much groundwork EM's done for that, themselves.
thiefessa on 15/4/2013 at 07:09
Quote Posted by jtr7
Apparently EM's outsourcing multiplayer for T4, so I expect that to happen. Outsourcing it's what I hoped they would do, but I don't know how much groundwork EM's done for that, themselves.
Thief is multiplayer? Have things changed or something? :confused:
Do you have a link please, thanks.
