Tonamel on 7/12/2010 at 21:00
Quote Posted by Kuuso
That's why they have time after time asked for the cooperation of goverments, who have refused it.
I'm not sure what people who make this argument are expecting out of the governments. Wikileaks is publishing classified information. The gov't doesn't want ANY of it published, which is something Wikileaks clearly isn't going to agree to. Saying "that part's okay, that part needs to be censored" is tantamount to saying the published information didn't need to be classified in the first place, which the government can't admit without giving the impression that they hide information from the public more often than they should. The whole situation is lose-lose for them.
They may lose face by refusing to cooperate with Wikileaks, but it also gives politicians the opportunity to vilify Assange.
Stitch on 7/12/2010 at 21:01
Quote Posted by Kolya
Well it's your choice if you want to entertain opinions about Assange that are undisturbed by facts but next time don't place them in the middle of a political discussion as if they were anything more than a personal antipathy.
Which I didn't do, because (1) his self-important douchiness wasn't my point, and (2) my opinion of the guy was formed by the words he has said and the manner in which he has chosen to present himself.
Assange is nothing more than an irrelevant dead end in the discussion, anyway, something both the pro- and anti-Wikileak sides would do well to acknowledge. This issue is far bigger than one man.
SeriousCallersOnly on 7/12/2010 at 21:12
Quote Posted by Stitch
I call him an attention whore not because he is the public head of a controversial organization but because I think five hours in a bar with this guy would make me want to kill myself.
Idiot. Educate yourself in a format you can understand bitch and reflect on the sodomization of the first amendment your fucking government is perpetrating right now.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/07/wikileaks-under-attack-definitive-timeline)
And you know what is fun? This is just the illegal game. IF they try to do it "legal" you'll find that the new york times among others, are just as "guilty" in your delusional alternate reality.
Just like fucking China you are.
Stitch on 7/12/2010 at 21:16
no, just like fucking china you are :mad:
:cool:
Renzatic on 7/12/2010 at 21:23
NO YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS CHINA, SIR! :mad:
Actually, we're better than China. The people we overwork for very little pay all came here willingly.
Kolya on 7/12/2010 at 21:29
SCO: So far this has been one of the few political discussions I've seen on TTLG that did not devolve into throwing insults immediately. Can we keep it at that?
Stitch: Damn right, the issue is more important than Assange. But he is still an important part of it. And by denouncing him without qualification you denounced Wikileaks as being merely his attention-seeking antics. That's exactly what I couldn't understand about your comment on him.
Stitch on 7/12/2010 at 21:43
Quote Posted by Kolya
And by denouncing him without qualification you denounced Wikileaks as being merely his attention-seeking antics.
This would be the point at which your interpretation of my post and what I intended to say diverged wildly. I didn't mention Wikileaks, other than to say that Assange really doesn't matter.
Frankly, Wikileaks doesn't really matter, either. What matter is that the internet makes it easier than ever to cheaply mass distribute data, and no amount of pressure from the governments of the world is going to put that back in the box. Jailing Assange won't stop Wikileaks, and pulling the plug on Wikileaks won't keep confidential information from leaking in the future.
The United States should shelve the combative rhetoric and instead focus on getting their own house in order.
Kolya on 7/12/2010 at 22:12
Earlier today I spoke with my mum who's currently in Hamburg and met the chief editor of DER SPIEGEL there. He said they received the whole package of cables on one small USB stick. He also said that Assange was an idealist, driven by his vision that information should be free and then he summed it up by saying Assange was a nerd.
Kuuso on 7/12/2010 at 22:56
You're bot? Dumbing irrevelant links in a language most of the users can't understand?
Anyways, one lolsome thing happened: Time magazine removed Julian Assange from their person of the year poll. He is now officially worse than Hitler, Stalin or Ayatollah Khomeini, whom all have won the title. Even funnier is that at 2003 the award went to abstract "the whistleblowers", when Enron stuff was around.
