Why Earth will be uninhabitable in 20 years tops (NSFL: depressing) - by hedonicflux~~
hedonicflux~~ on 8/5/2018 at 02:37
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Azaran on 8/5/2018 at 02:45
And your solution to all that, is....?
hedonicflux~~ on 8/5/2018 at 03:33
My solution to it is to come to peace with it, emotionally prepare, make good with people and tie up loose ends.
I was just talking to a friend about how I think people are going to suffer much worse from this because they've been ignorant or in denial their whole lives. There will be much more confusion and emotional turmoil than there needs to be. There are a lot of things about humanity that I am sickenned will be gone, mainly in art/music/philosophy. Nonetheless, I have come to terms with the end of the human species. We have failed HARD. Too many good people have suffered horrendously and died, while many of the worst have risen to assume complete control of our lives. I have sympathy for individuals, but I have no sympathy for humanity as a whole.
There's something profoundly wrong with human psychology. We've fucked ourselves so immensely by being controlled by fear and not having the courage to seek out and confront the truth. None of this would have happenned if it weren't for our fear--the source of all greed, exploitation, and ultimately stupidity ("Fear is the mindkiller" -Herbert). And now because we are afraid to confront the truth of civilizational collapse, we'll be fucking ourselves immensely more by denying it to our last breath instead of emotionally preparing ourselves for it. It's been easy for me because I've already lost everything, but I also think that if this economy hasn't robbed everything from you, it's probably because you're exploiting it.
Renault on 8/5/2018 at 03:38
This makes me sad, think I'll go drink some cough syrup.
Renzatic on 8/5/2018 at 03:57
You're not cherry picking so much as grossly exaggerating the negative effects gleamed from real data, then stoking your own panic with off the wall Youtube videos, and weirdo doom-n-gloom Reddit subcommunities.
Certainly global warming is a thing, and the end results won't be too terribly grand for us socioeconomically. But is it the End of the World? Will it result in an unlivable Venus-like hellscape within 20 years? No, not quite. Even the worst of currently accepted theories only predict a 5-6C rise in global temperature by 2100. This will result in a 100% guarantee of melted ice caps, and greatly shifted weather patterns, but the world will still be quite friendly to life in general. Some ecosystems will die. Others will thrive. Others still will arise anew. From a big picture perspective, it's a sudden slight warming of the earth.
The biggest threat of global warming isn't global warming itself, it's our response to the changes it'll bring.
Your point in increasing illnesses? What evidence are you using to support this hypothesis other than "more water equals more sick people?"
Yeah, people die from the flu all the damn time. If 4000 people in the US died of the flu this year, then hey, that's great news, considering the average is usually around 20,000 or so, give or take. Hell, sometimes it gets crazy, and kill tens of millions of people, like it did in Europe 100 years ago. If your point here is to scare us with deaths by the measly flu, you've failed spectacularly.
Same with the lettuce e-coli outbreak. That's not anything new. It happens sometimes. Obviously someone at the farm forgot to wash their hands before shipping the veggies to the stores.
Neither one of these things will become any worse with global warming. Even a potential influx of new waters into our water tables due to melting ice caps won't make too much a dent, because...
A. Drinking unfiltered water has been making people sick since roughly 6000 BC.
B. We filter our drinking water.
All it takes is one dead animal 2 miles upstream, and suddenly that quick gulp of fresh stream water means you'll be shitting yourself half to death.
So yeah. All you've done here is throw out a few disconnected points to bolster your scare quotient. GLOBAL WARMING MEANS MORE E-COLI AND FLU DEATHS! ...the fuh?
Same with your claims that scientists are censoring themselves. There's a reason for that. See, our global environment is a vastly complicated machine made up of millions of moving parts, some of which aren't always able to be accounted for when the latest study comes up. Case in point, the potential release of billions of tons of methane into our atmosphere due to permafrost melting.
First off, greenhouse gasses don't go straight into the atmosphere. The vast majority is absorbed by our oceans.
...which isn't good, because it could change the acidity and oxygen content of our oceans. In extreme circumstances, this could lead to a mass aquatic extinction, which would effect us on land.
...BUT (
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/01/microbes-chomp-on-seafloor-methane-before-it-reaches-the-atmosphere/) it turns out we've learned that plankton and some marine microalgaes absorb a goodly amount of the greenhouse gasses we're introducing into the environment, resettling them on the sea floor, blunting (though not entirely stymieing) the effects of melting permafrost.
Now if some random scientist looked at the raw data, and decided to scream OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE, well, a decade later, he'd look quite dumb in front of everyone else. This is why climate scientists tend to err on the conservative interpretation of their data. There's almost always some vector or process left unaccounted for.
And exponential temperature increase?
exponential? So what are you saying? That the earth is going to be hotter than the surface of the sun in 20 years? Wuh?
So, yeah, there.
Nicker on 8/5/2018 at 04:04
The thing we learn from (and ignore about) the collapse of ancient civilizations is that they, like us, rely on constant expansion. More people, more land, more consumption. Our economies rely on ever increasing markets to consume an ever increasing demand for resources.
In the past this has led to local collapses. The forest moves in and eventually the land is ripe for exploitation again. And while one civilization declines, another is born.
But not today. There are just too damned many of us and there are no buffer zones. No Planet B.
I don't think this will be the end of humanity. Humans are just too adaptive and distributed. But we will lose so much of what we have learned.
If there are / were other intelligent species elsewhere in the universe, I suspect they all faced this test, can their wisdom save them from their cleverness. I don't know that we have lost yet but it sure doesn't look good.
So, no, the earth will not be uninhabitable but it won't be the one we enjoy today.
Renzatic on 8/5/2018 at 04:12
If there's one thing I've learned recently, it's that it isn't the impending doom that eventually kills us, it's the panic driven by the rumored potential of impending doom that does us in.
Azaran on 8/5/2018 at 04:15
Quote Posted by Renzatic
If there's one thing I've learned recently, it's that it isn't the impending doom that eventually kills us, it's the panic driven by the rumored potential of impending doom that does us in.
Like those stampedes in stadiums and other crowded places, because someone yells 'fire!' or smells smoke
Renzatic on 8/5/2018 at 04:20
That, and the fact that it's become trendy to be a martyr for some bullshit cause or another these days, even if it means making up a cause to martyr yourself for.
Sulphur on 8/5/2018 at 05:00
I'm going to address the obvious reasoning disaster first: you don't have two people who asked you to post about this, barring the one shitpost from Renz.
Secondly, your argument consists of putting down scientist models, then using scientist data, then using the new methane data to feed into... a (
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/08/03/man-behind-claim-that-jet-stream-made-rare-equator-transit-responds-to-criticism/?utm_term=.f846d0ddce44) Paul Beckwith video? I had to stifle a laugh when I saw the 'Indian Summer Monsoon' as a tipping point. Yeah, if we get our monsoon rain every year like it's been going on for centuries, it's gonna make the planet go
doolally as fuck.
And yeah, this is the very definition of cherry-picking. Methane data exists, it feeds new models, and we wait for those to extrapolate what the future looks like. We don't use them to come up with magic numbers: I don't see any of your links backing up the arctic ice's probability of completely disappearing this year or the next. Your own link states that '“This is too short-term an excursion to say whether or not it changes the overall projections for Arctic warming”, so that 50% to 70% reckoning comes out of nowhere. And I'm not touching your 10-20 years estimate for our civilisation's life expectancy because one of them is
literally a magic number.
This is all ignoring the larger point: if you're looking for reasons for humanity to be fucked, you don't need global warming for that. Flu epidemic? E. Coli infections? Please. Let's call a spade a spade - if you want to be a doomcrier who sees the impending apocalypse writ large in a piece of toast, go ahead. Just don't use science as the enabler for your various illnesses, it deserves more respect than that. The scientists - the actual scientists - don't see the data and go 'oh we're doomed', they go, 'let's figure out how to fix this.' Il y a une différence.
This is just a massive waste of time for the rest of us. I'm with Aja, I hope you get the help you need, because all you're doing here is fuelling your own feedback loop of personal dismay. Yeah, I know it feels good to do it too, I've been there. Turns out it's as satisfying as picking at a scab, because all it does is make you bleed again. That's all I'm going to say. Good luck with the rest of your life.