SD on 25/6/2006 at 23:36
Quote Posted by Phydeaux
All the cheap labor arguments aside, one of the biggest problems is that illegals are a drain on the system (medial services, etc) without putting back into it (taxes, social security, etc).
That's a somewhat specious argument that isn't borne out by the statistics, I have to say, although your use of the highly offensive term "illegals" suggests that we oughtn't give much credence to your opinion either way.
Nevertheless, it seems quite clear that the thread starter was referring to an increase in
legal immigration, so why you chose to bring illegal immigrants into it is a little on the mystifying side.
Chimpy Chompy on 25/6/2006 at 23:44
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
You do realise that your country (and mine, for that matter) is pretty much
entirely made up of immigrants?
Whatever happened in a country x hundred years ago, doesn't necessarily mean it's good for that country today. Especially when it's like 1200 years ago. :p
That said, it seems like the US could benefit from making it easier for some of these these Mexican labourers to come over and work legally. They get $$$, the US gets tax $$$, everyone's happy!
Also.. "illegal" is only offensive if you want to be offended. Which people often do, in this topic.
Scots Taffer on 25/6/2006 at 23:45
deep offence taken itt
SD on 25/6/2006 at 23:53
Quote Posted by Chimpy Chompy
Also.. "illegal" is only offensive if you want to be offended. Which people often do, in this topic.
I just think that we can at least refer to these people as nouns rather than adjectives. I appreciate that it's
de rigeur in the States to dehumanise illegal immigrants in this way, but I'd rather hope we could raise the level of debate on TTLG a little higher.
WAREAGLE on 26/6/2006 at 00:03
Quote Posted by Lazarus411
You know I was just looking at the population figures for the US and I found that the US has a total pop. of roughly 300 million, which is a lot but when you look at the pop. density it's only about 30/sq.km. Contrast this with your average european country (i.e. UK, France, Germany etc.) which typically has a few hundred per sq.km.
So my question is, do you think America could take in a few hundred million more migrants from poorer countries around the world? There's no reason why it should an adverse effect on the economy as long as the economy grows to match the influx of migrants which in theory it should. I think when you consider how absolutely massive the continent of America is and it's relatively low pop. density I think that America could do a lot more to help people from the poorer parts of the world by taking them into their country with open arms, so that they too can enjoy the benefits of the western lifestyle. What do you think?
no.
one of my biggest thoughts on this is why should we? living close to miami, ill tell you this, american born citizens arent the trouble makers.
Scots Taffer on 26/6/2006 at 00:07
WAREAGLE just took the debate to the higher level Stronts was seeking.
WAREAGLE on 26/6/2006 at 00:11
i dont really care if i crossed a line there, cause its true. just flip on the local miami news.
Gingerbread Man on 26/6/2006 at 00:13
These debates only work if you remember that the only relevant definition of "immigrant" is "Mexican" -- take that away and all the noise falls silent, especially when the noise originates from Florida, Texas, California, and New York. Well, okay, add "Cuban" or "Puerto Rican" as necessary for Florida and New York.
Lazarus411 began by talking about "poorer areas of the world" but you can see where the Vacuous Tit Brigade thought it ought to be headed.
SD on 26/6/2006 at 00:14
Quote Posted by WAREAGLE
i dont really care if i crossed a line there, cause its true. just flip on the local miami news.
Yeeees, well that's going to be awfully difficult for those of us who don't actually live in Miami, perhaps you could provide a few examples :)
WAREAGLE on 26/6/2006 at 00:18
hmm. as in cold hard evidence, ill do a little net digging.
