aguywhoplaysthief on 29/6/2006 at 20:21
Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky
And while sure, yeah you CAN take out loans, there are still college kids fiscally responsible enough to know that money you earn is still cheaper than money you borrow.
While I'm not in favor of borrowing as a general rule, my immediate post-college income was almost three-times that of what I could make at a teen-type job (restaurant work, retail, landscaping, etc.) which was more than enough to rather quickly pay off the loans that I did have without spending much at all in interest. I'm know that that isn't the same for everyone, but I think that is the result that most people bank on these days where all the schools try to push people into college with statistics about earning rates for people with college degrees.
You may be right. I'm all for enforcing strict laws of employers of illegal immigrants, and those who violate wage or safety laws, and therefore making it so that Americans can get an opportunity at those jobs. If they take them and everything turns out fine, then great.
Still though, I doubt it, and we will need to have plenty of immigrants come to America to do many of them.
Gorgon on 29/6/2006 at 21:09
Quote Posted by TheGreatGodPan
Africa sucked before Europeans got there...
Really? Why?
Convict on 29/6/2006 at 21:51
Quote Posted by aguywhoplaysthief
I agree with you to a point, but I think some jobs teenagers wouldn't do, like farm work, or construction.
As a teenager I knew a teenage bloke who did farmhand work, and I knew a bloke at uni (whose parents were well off) who did construction work as a job.
Quote Posted by AGWPT
If you can go to a mall and look at the 16 and 17-year-olds there with their pants falling off, and posture like paper clips, and tell me that they'll cure tobacco for minimum wage, then fine. Outside of the real lower end of the economic scale, I don't think it would happen, and there would be a pronounced labor shortage.
Ah, but capitalism is a two-edged sword. You may need to pay more than the minimum wage for the labour!!!:eek:
Quote Posted by AGWPT
I'm not arguing that immigrants shouldn't get paid American wages. I'm arguing that some jobs just won't get filled, unless perhaps the wage gets so high that those industries suffer.
As I remember from economics, this would cause redistribution of resources to the most efficient industries (rather than those that are being propped up by, in effect, subsidies - yes that is what is happening) which is actually good for the economy.
aguywhoplaysthief on 29/6/2006 at 22:10
Quote Posted by Convict
As a teenager I knew a teenage bloke who did farmhand work, and I knew a bloke at uni (whose parents were well off) who did construction work as a job.
I didn't say that there are
no teenagers who would do certain jobs, just that it wouldn't be near enough to fill the need.
jprobs on 29/6/2006 at 22:28
So.... My ancestory goes back to Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, John Alden, and my mothers great grandfather was an Irish immigrant... So do I have to go back to England or Ireland??
Oh wait... My great grandfather was half irish and half blackfoot indian. So where does that place me?:erg:
Pyrian on 29/6/2006 at 23:29
Quote Posted by jprobs
Oh wait... My great grandfather was half irish and half blackfoot indian. So where does that place me?:erg:
Get out the axe!
Interestingly, my U.S. ancestry is entirely of legal immigrants - all four of my grandparents came from different countries.
tungsten on 30/6/2006 at 03:10
Quote Posted by jprobs
So.... My ancestory goes back to Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, John Alden, and my mothers great grandfather was an Irish immigrant... So do I have to go back to England or Ireland??
Oh wait... My great grandfather was half irish and half blackfoot indian. So where does that place me?:erg:
lost child?
On a more serious not than my last post (which was meant to say that migrations do take place) :
can someone here that knows more about the USA tell me: I've heard that when you're born on US soil (including airplanes, excluding Guantanamo), you automatically get US citizenship. So the "immigration-problem" is only lasting 1 generation? Do kids of illegal immigrants get citizenship? And if so, can they claim it without expelling their parents?
aguywhoplaysthief on 30/6/2006 at 03:35
Yes, no, yes, yes. Although, theoretically, we could kick out their parents, we don't.
Mingan on 30/6/2006 at 03:59
I don't know for the US, but in Canada, it work like this: if a baby is born on canadian soil, regardless of the citizenship of the parents, it is automatically granted canadian citizenship.
So, if you go on vacations in Canada whilst pregnant and you give birth there, it'll have canadian citizenship. It even happened that immigrants were rejected, but they had a baby meanwhile; the kid could stay in Canada, but not the parents.
aguywhoplaysthief on 30/6/2006 at 04:02
Q: Does Canada allow dual citizenship, or does a child born of American parents visiting Canada loose their Canadian citizenship if they become American citizens?
Actually, I don't even know if a child born of two American parents in another country is considered an American citizen. I sure hope they are, because that would a real headache if it wasn't so.
