Renzatic on 10/10/2016 at 18:52
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
I'd say that Trump was somewhat ahead this time (the "conversation" style plays to his strengths), but not in the ways he needed to be. He didn't do anything that separated himself from the "thought boxes" he's in.
I think Viv's post just below yours sums up my opinion of it quite nicely.
Trump won in the sense that he put on a better performance, but, as you said, it was still all the same song and dance. Lot's of screaming of baseless accusations, and empty claims of being able to fix what ails us, without actually offering anything of substance. Clinton? She's a politician, for good and ill. Her skeletons in her closet, and her tendency to play the plausible deniability card whenever she can get away with it make her come across as untrustworthy by default.
I vote Cameron Diaz this round.
faetal on 10/10/2016 at 18:53
Quote Posted by Vivian
People presenting this as being somehow a hard choice really, really confuse me.
I think it's as simple as basic tribalism. Republicans have to vote Republican, therefore they have to squint at reality until it looks like they're being rational. It's like they'll vote in the fucking cartoon villain because otherwise the Democrats win.
Renzatic on 10/10/2016 at 18:59
The counter to that is the upsurge in Republican leadership and news sources now openly claiming they're voting for Hillary (with their noses held), or Johnson.
Vivian on 10/10/2016 at 19:52
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
And speaking of Brexit, remember when you all thought that the world was going to end and no such thing has happened yet?
Well, as Nickie points out, brexit has yet to actually happen. Which means that the pounds fallen to less than a euro at some exchange places, there's been a massive jump in nationality-related hate-crime, and a really awful, nationalistic, scape-goaty atmosphere to politics and it's all just because of the IDEA of it happening. So no I'm not any more optimistic about how well it's all going to go, whatever crap you may or may not be about to blather about it.
Anyway, the trumpton issue, I can deffo see why it's not a nice choice to make, but it does seem a fairly easy one. What are tumptytumpts policies on Russia then?
Actually him and Putin would probably get on just fine thinking about it...
heywood on 10/10/2016 at 20:29
The Republican's dissing him now are mostly the same people who said they would never support Trump during the primary campaign and they lost.
The older, traditional Republican party leaders are out of touch with the party's base. The party's base would rather shove a hot poker up the ass of their party's traditional "establishment" than elect one of them President. Donald Trump is their hot poker.
I watched about an hour of this debate, which is as much as I could stand. It was one of the ugliest political debates I can remember. I would say that Trump won, mainly because he said things that will get his supporters fired up. He was rude, but he's been riding a wave of anger and frustration so it won't be held against him. Nobody who's even considering voting for Trump gives a flying fuck whether he was showing decorum and being respectful to Clinton. Hillary, when she wasn't on the defense, gave us a bunch of scripted politician-speak that was neither here nor there. I think she walked out without having improved her position or hurt it. Whereas he probably put a little energy back into his campaign by going on offense after a couple days of playing defense.
Starker on 10/10/2016 at 20:34
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
She's doing everything in her power to try to steer the US towards World War 3. Again it's NOT hyperbole.
And speaking of Brexit, remember when you all thought that the world was going to end and no such thing has happened yet?
If this is not hyperbole, then what is?
SD on 10/10/2016 at 21:15
Tony has been watching too much Trump, he thinks if you say these things they're automatically true, and facts and evidence are for namby pamby liberals.
However, bearing in mind the Brexit thing and the fact that the pound in my pocket has depreciated faster than an Xbox One, maybe I ought to be supporting a Trump presidency. It's costing way too much to import collectibles from the US these days, and I really could benefit from you guys destroying your economy all over again like you did in 2008 when I could get 2 dollars to the pound rather than a buck 20.
Pyrian on 10/10/2016 at 21:50
One of our candidates thinks its a good idea to invade countries and take their stuff, and it isn't Hillary.
Renzatic on 10/10/2016 at 22:30
Quote Posted by heywood
The Republican's dissing him now are mostly the same people who said they would never support Trump during the primary campaign and they lost.
They're the most vocal. The rest of the party seems to be (
http://www.npr.org/2016/10/10/497389822/paul-ryan-will-no-longer-defend-trump-looks-to-protect-house-majority) quitely brushing him aside, so they can maintain a sense of unity for the upcoming downticket vote.
It makes sense why they're not announcing their abandonment of Trump to the world. If they were to outright throw him under a bus right in front of everyone, it'd make the party look like it's in complete disarray. That wouldn't go over well with voters, who'd probably make a beeline for a majority democrat senate in response. They want to avoid that, so they're moving into smile for the people, and cover our asses mode.
