Dragonclaw on 15/11/2002 at 22:49
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Originally posted by Rolander
We've tried Dark Age before and we've failed; we've tried Illuminati before and we failed, but we've never tried Helios before ... so I say we go for Helios.
To find new mistakes to make?
Don't get me wrong, all three endings weren't really good. The Illuminati ruled out, I'm not a friend of secret world-domination societies. So we have the machine God and the dark Age revival. What bugs me about the Helios one is that
a) I think Helios is a bit arrogant, and merging an AI with a human would result in something we'd hardly call sane. The fact that JC is rather dead when it comes to feelings also doesn't speak for this solution.
b) Call me oldfashioned, but I do believe in God. And I remember a story of a golden calf. And, lastly,
c) This is totally new.
We roughly know how the dark age went, and what mistakes were made. We do, however, not know what the Helios future may hold - especially with our advanced possibilities. So, by taking the dark age one we can at least try and avoid the mistakes done before. Or, we can take Helios, "to boldly do mistakes that no man has done before" ;)
ferret on 16/11/2002 at 16:59
Don't trust any of them, sign up with Page.
Rolander on 19/11/2002 at 10:44
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Originally posted by Dragonclaw
To find new mistakes to make?
Far as I'm concerned, better new mistakes than keep repeating old ones ...
Dragonclaw on 21/11/2002 at 19:04
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Originally posted by Rolander Far as I'm concerned, better new mistakes than keep repeating old ones ... I think that's the whole point between us: You say we'll repeat them, while I think we might have learned from them.
BadNacho on 22/11/2002 at 01:08
It's not so much trusting Helios as it is trusting yourself. Will you be able to make the right choices?
rachel on 22/11/2002 at 17:53
Good point. Are you "good" <small>(lack of better terms)</small> enough to be a god?
Rolander on 23/11/2002 at 09:09
JC isn't, but Helios is ...
JC won't be making the choices alone; he is there for the "human touch" as Helios is purely machine.
Darkclaw, I'm not sure about your faith, but since you mentioned God and the golden calfs ... if you buy that Christian way of looking at things, humans ARE incapable of ruling themselves, at least in this present state.
Dragonclaw on 23/11/2002 at 11:39
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Originally posted by Rolander DarkclawDragonclaw, but anyway.
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Originally posted by Rolander ... if you buy that Christian way of looking at things, humans ARE incapable of ruling themselves, at least in this present state.I dare think that we get along with ruling ourselves halfway good (At least there are
some that do).
And, the more important: If humans are incapable of ruling themselves, how in the world could they be capable of creating a perfect ruler?
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Originally posted by Rolander JC won't be making the choices alone; he is there for the "human touch" as Helios is purely machine.And you really think JC represents a "human touch"? I sure don't.
Hakar on 16/2/2003 at 09:49
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Originally posted by Rolander And frankly, IM Arrogant O the Dark Age style is not significantly better than Illuminati. Yes, the loss of global networking limits opportunities for global domination, but even low-scale governments are still subject to powerplay by ppl like Everett and Page. The change in scale just means a different set of challenges faced by such conspirators. The word 'global' is relative. If your world consists of the town you live in and the surrounding countryside, the mayor has global power.
Dragonclaw on 16/2/2003 at 12:08
Seeing how "global" comes from "globe", I doubt it is relative :weird:
