mxleader on 3/9/2022 at 15:47
Who is Ramirez? After playing the T1, TG and T2 over and over for years, and playing countless FM's, I still don't quite know who Ramirez is and how he and his faction fits in to the series. I know there's a mansion but so what? Can someone explain please?
sneaksie415 on 3/9/2022 at 19:56
Taken from thief.fandom
"Ramirez was a nobleman and one of the City Wardens, responsible for several of the crime rings in The City. He lived in a large mansion in Hightowne, protected by his own personal house guard. To Ramirez, money was a top priority, and he was ruthless toward those who did not pay him what he was due."
faction(s):
City Warden
Allies:
Lord Bafford, Thieves, Raputo, DeWall, Webster, Hammerites
Enemies:
Garrett
First Introduced:
Thief: The Dark Project
It says Hammerites are an ally, however I suspect not completely if he's putting up a front with them, or just associating with some corrupt Hammers.
R Soul on 3/9/2022 at 21:49
Ramirez probably makes enough donations to the Hammerites for them to be on his side, with some of them turning a blind eye to his hobbies and others being too blinkered/naive to see the hypocrisy. However, I think the full list of allies should be:
Lord Bafford, Thieves, Raputo, DeWall, Webster, Hammerites, Burricks
ZylonBane on 4/9/2022 at 02:42
He is the one who knocks.
mxleader on 4/9/2022 at 03:59
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
He is the one who knocks.
Where was that at or are you just being ominous?
I need to play through T1 or TG again. Assassins is a great mission level but for some reason I don't remember a ton of it past the trailing of the assassins. Maybe I'm just getting old but Ramirez doesn't appear to be too much a part of the main story and also doesn't make a lot of appearances in fan missions compared to other characters.
<Username> on 4/9/2022 at 09:21
Quote Posted by mxleader
Ramirez doesn't appear to be too much a part of the main story and also doesn't make a lot of appearances in fan missions compared to other characters.
I completed a playthrough of all T1/TG fan missions that had been released up to that point in December 2020. From what I remember, he is referenced in or appears in fan missions more often than Lord Bafford and The Trickster.
zajazd on 4/9/2022 at 12:37
There is a small fan mission that was submitted for a 64x64 cube contest? in which Ramirez has lost almost everything thanks to Garrett's 'visits' and lives in a tiny house in the city. On second thought, it could be Lord Bafford :erg:
Cigam on 4/9/2022 at 16:43
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
He is the one who knocks.
And also the one who insists you say his name.
As for Ramirez, I don't think that he is meant to be anything other than a local crime boss, who wanted to get rid of Garrett. Just one of the several great secondary characters that can be found throughout the games.
I do like him though, and his lines and voicework by Daniel Thron.
mxleader on 4/9/2022 at 16:54
Quote Posted by Cigam
And also the one who insists you say his name.
Now I'm totally lost. I should probably play through T1 or TG again.
mxleader on 4/9/2022 at 16:58
Quote Posted by zajazd
There is a small fan mission that was submitted for a 64x64 cube contest? in which Ramirez has lost almost everything thanks to Garrett's 'visits' and lives in a tiny house in the city. On second thought, it could be Lord Bafford :erg:
I guess there some FM's with Ramirez as the central character. There's at least two on KOMAG's FM archive.
