Sulphur on 24/6/2020 at 10:38
Quote Posted by icemann
The line is from a 90s movie. If you listen to the song you hear it in the opening line.
From memory its in the song of his "To the bone".
There may have been a movie talking about something similar, but no, that quote (
https://www.digitaltrends.com/music/the-audiophile-steven-wilson-interview/) isn't from a movie.
Quote Posted by "Steven Wilson"
That's actually a really good friend of mine who's a black schoolteacher in Texas, Jasmine Walkes. Basically, what I said to her was, “I want you to talk about truth, and the idea of truth as perspective — and I want you to improvise it.” And she came back with something that was very impromptu and very natural, and not scripted — and it was perfect! It was the perfect line to start the record, and I couldn't have written it any better if I had scripted it myself.
dema: fair enough, though I think a little bit of freewheeling to touch on aspects of the original question isn't too bad while allowing for more direct on-topic responses. At least, I think Gray wouldn't mind?
Kolya on 24/6/2020 at 22:25
Not long ago a colleague gave me this gem: *laughs drunk at work party* "You know, when I started here they told me Kolya was - hmmm - a bit difficult. But WE get along so well!" *slaps my shoulder*
For a second I pondered whether everyone might actually think I was difficult. I decided that my interactions made this generally unlikely. And I wouldn't care if someone had vented their minor grievances. Then I considered who this was coming from. The first time we met he had just started an NLP course and I told him in no uncertain terms that I thought NLP was condescending and produced loneliness. I realized that he had pursued it and smiled.
No idea who I am, you'd have to ask others about that. But not that guy.
qolelis on 25/6/2020 at 00:53
@icemann & Sulphur:
I'm going off-topic now, but I got curious about where that quote really comes from. I can see a couple of different, and equally probable, possibilities:
1. Steven Wilson came up with it himself and then recorded someone else saying it (for example Janeane Garofalo).
2. Someone else came up with it (for example Janeane Garofalo) and then Steven Wilson borrowed it.
3. Someone else said it in some other setting (in a movie, on stage etc...) and then Steven Wilson sampled it.
The only conclusion we can draw -- from the information presented in this thread -- is that it's not Steven Wilson saying it in the song. That's clearly someone else. Could be Janeane Garofalo; the two sound kind of similar. We still don't know the source of the quote, though -- unless someone else has information they haven't presented yet.
On-topic:
This post represents one part of who I am.
Tocky on 25/6/2020 at 03:12
Yeah good luck. Every time AI comes up the same concepts get rehashed. It came up with teleportation and whether the person who is reassembled is you. I say no because if the singular perspective is extinguished even for a nano second it ceases to be. The other "you" won't know it though. The mind can idle in sleep or lose some of it's self but can never cease fundamentally or it (you) is gone. But that's another tangent. Nobody buys my singular perspective argument anyway.
I am curious as to how any code could be universal when I sincerely doubt any mind is. I have used this argument before but nobody seemed to understand my meaning. They thought me simple because it is reductive but it HAS to be. If the most simple concept cannot be extrapolated then the complex ones never will. What is color? It is a wavelength right? We all agree on what we see as blue. We can expound on intensities and shades but we can never know how that wavelength is interpreted in someone elses brain. Yes indeed we are operating with the same equipment and the link up with the brain is nearly the same but the interpretation BY the brain may be individual. We can reproduce the same result across the board by concept agreement but never KNOW if the visual is the same. And that is just color. Perhaps you think concept agreement is enough. Well if you are going to augment a brain maybe it isn't. Maybe you are headed into new territory where new agreements will have to be made. Higher concepts farther afield may take us farther apart and be more difficult to replicate experience much less code it.
As far as who we are as others see us it's somewhat similar in complexity the farther from our core we go. We all have our reactions which are different among different company. I recall an acquaintance/friend saying how laid back I've always been. If you asked the folks I worked with if I was that they would laugh. Everyone sees you through the filter of what they want of you. If they just want the warm feelings of friendship they see your best. If they want the produce of your labor they may see only what you have done for them. They may of course be manipulating you either way. You may be manipulating yourself to fit that expectation without even knowing it. But we have a core. Formed of our fears and needs and ability to obtain before we even understand those or remember. Who am I though? Depends on who you are to an extent. But beyond that? I crave affection and will work hard for it. I crave new experience and will push past fear for it. I never want to hurt anyone or allow anyone to hurt. I think that is my core and the core of a lot of us. Most of the rest is situational and window dressing. How's that? Too basic and boring?
I don't know. It didn't feel like I was talking out of my ass anyway. If I was then that's me too.
Hey qolelis you said what I did at the end without my knowing it till I posted! We mind melded.
Sulphur on 25/6/2020 at 03:50
Quote Posted by qolelis
@icemann & Sulphur:
I'm going off-topic now, but I got curious about where
that quote really comes from. I can see a couple of different, and equally probable, possibilities:
1. Steven Wilson came up with it himself and then recorded someone else saying it (for example Janeane Garofalo).
2. Someone else came up with it (for example Janeane Garofalo) and then Steven Wilson borrowed it.
3. Someone else said it in some other setting (in a movie, on stage etc...) and then Steven Wilson sampled it.
The only conclusion we can draw -- from the information presented in this thread -- is that it's not Steven Wilson saying it in the song. That's clearly someone else. Could be Janeane Garofalo; the two sound kind of similar. We still don't know the source of the quote, though -- unless someone else has information they haven't presented yet.
On-topic:
This post represents one part of who I am.
Let's crunch that down to what we know for sure: read the interview I linked, or heck, just read the quote from the interview I posted in that same post, and draw your own conclusions. I did the sourcing already, I'm just beyond amused anyone addressing it hasn't actually checked it out.
Tocky on 25/6/2020 at 04:14
That's... not... blue? Likely white in shade picking up reflected purple... or is that my peripheral picking up and transferring the surrounding purple of the forum? Light purple trending toward blue if it isn't either of those things. Certainly not blue. To me. See? How are you going to code that? Is uncertainty even a codable (codeable?) concept?
And yeah, sort of a tawny gold.
Edit: It's actually part of my job to pick color. You have to consider face which is dead on and flop which is from the side. Each car paint has a different set of colors and in often incremental grams which seem to add nothing but do. There is dry mica which rises in paint to dominate the upper layer though gram wise it is much less than the wet colors. And that's not even considering tri-stage which is a deep layer and a clear layer over it with some color in it then a true clear. There are about six different metallics with differing coarseness and you have to have a particular amount of strata separating resin added to make it do right. Also you have to spray from the right distance to get the metallic to lay down right. Too far and it drys enough in the air to make it dull and stay in the top layer. Then too some paint is night and day from sunlight into shade. There are banks of flip books with thousands of color tints just in any color. Even looking up a color is a nightmare. First there is the code which is in different places on different makes of vehicle then there are variants of that color depending on factory and year though it is all supposed to be the same color. Usually you try the standard and only resort to the alternates if it is too different to blend which is done by fanning the spraygun sideways at the end of a run. Blend agents can burn a fuzz line in but mottle the texture of metallics and then some folks ground a vehicle to make the metallics stand up for a better match. Annnnnnnd I've gone on so long I forgot why I started. I've hardly scratched the surface though. You have no idea. You think white is white and black is black.
Pyrian on 25/6/2020 at 06:28
Quote Posted by Kolya
For a second I pondered whether everyone might actually think I was difficult. I decided that my interactions made this generally unlikely.
Quote Posted by Kolya
I hope you're taking the piss, dema because "cyberrealism" sounds like "I'm 14 and this is deep".
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https://media2.giphy.com/media/pPhyAv5t9V8djyRFJH/giphy.gifSulphur on 25/6/2020 at 06:43
Kolya's got a point about NLP. I took a look at it because it's something that people keep going on about (at work, people have spent actual money on being certified practitioners), and while it does trade in (apparent) surface-level validity, the underlying ideas behind it get more and more (
https://www.mindtools.co.th/personal-development/neuro-linguistic-programming/nlp-eye-accessing-cues/) unreal as you dive into it. I don't know if it makes everyone condescending, but what I do know is that it's widely decried as a pseudoscience founded on shaky principles, where what it calls itself alone is a fucking misnomer.
