elkston on 4/2/2009 at 19:36
Quote Posted by pavlovscat
I did not vote for Obama because I didn't, and still don't, know enough about him. I had enough questions about his past associations and actions that I wasn't comfortable voting for him.
I don't agree with everything the Republicans say, but the Dems didn't inspire my confidence this time around. I opted for the person (yes, McCain) that I understood better. I didn't agree with all his proposed policies, but I also don't disagree with all of Obama's. Yes, given my past, my comfort zone is with the Republicans, but I vote for the person I feel is best suited for the job who actually has a chance of being elected.
The election is over. Now everything you want to know about our President is front and center. (And to be honest, plenty was known before if you were actually interested.) Personally, I see the same measured, thoughtful man I voted for. No "jack in the box" like so many conspiracy theorists feared. Just someone trying to deliver on what he campaigned for. I hope you give him a chance to show what he has got.
pavlovscat on 4/2/2009 at 20:46
Quote Posted by elkston
The election is over. Now everything you want to know about our President is front and center. (And to be honest, plenty was known before if you were actually interested.) Personally, I see the same measured, thoughtful man I voted for. No "jack in the box" like so many conspiracy theorists feared. Just someone trying to deliver on what he campaigned for. I hope you give him a chance to show what he has got.
I am not an Obama hater. I just happened to vote for someone else. McCain was no paragon, but I never found the answers I was looking for about Obama - and I did a lot of research on Obama. However, as you said, the election is done. Obama is our president, and I sincerely hope he can deliver on some of his changes. I am not someone who hopes for his spectacular failure. I just want to see things get better for the average person. I wish Obama all the best.
Stitch on 5/2/2009 at 00:57
Quote Posted by BrokenArts
If Obama had ABSOLUTE power, there would be change, I guarantee it. It will be years to undue the damage that has been done. I hope he can get in there and do some house cleaning. Only time will tell......
If time tells otherwise (and it will) you will simply rearrange your suspicions to accommodate your cynicism.
Point of comparison: a little over a year ago (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1700841#post1700841) you argued that America wasn't ready for a black president, and then went on to state once he won that (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1812332#post1812332) his race doesn't change a thing.
But hey, it's all rigged, right? Eight years of Gore would undoubtedly have looked similar.
Queue on 5/2/2009 at 01:02
Ouch
...felt that one over here.
june gloom on 5/2/2009 at 01:55
Haha, soooo not getting involved in this one. I've learned my lesson.
Scots Taffer on 5/2/2009 at 02:25
Obama's capping yo' ass salary!
If you can't live on $500k a year, you shouldn't be running a business getting federal bailouts.
I love this guy.
BrokenArts on 5/2/2009 at 02:52
In your first lovely dig, if you scroll two posts past mine stitch, you'll see I wasn't alone in that thought. Not ready, maybe a poor choice of words, but, whether or not america really would vote in change. There was agreement in my statement. It was the truth. Given the history of this country, and the attitudes towards black people, this should go without saying. Was it so far fetched to believe Obama could win? I'm glad I was wrong. And this was worthy of a dig from you? Come on. Must be slow in the forums lately. People wanted change, could it actually happen? Yeah, great it did. I was not alone in my thoughts. Nice dig up on something pretty trivial.
Its been status quo for so long. People thought nothing would change. Again, I am not alone in that thought. Hey, I'm glad he is here. In the end, I was hoping I was wrong, jury is still out what change he can actually do. Governments grip is strong. I have become pessimistic, because I have seen enough shit from man, and what men do with power and greed, the list goes on and on.
I still think some right wing nut job is going to take a pop at him sometime, I hope I am wrong, you can quote me later on that, if you like.
Stitch on 5/2/2009 at 04:52
Quote Posted by BrokenArts
Nice dig up to a pointless post.
Anyone can underestimate the ability to change; my criticism regards your tendency to roll your eyes and grab the new jaded indifference when change actually happens. "Nothing will change" is traded in for "yeah things changed so what."
There are many things historic about Obama's victory, no matter how you may write it off with a "yeah, great." He's now in a position to make a difference, and he will. The quality and severity of the difference is what remains to be determined.
Obama may prove to be a shitty president but it won't be due to an inability to enact change.
BEAR on 5/2/2009 at 06:17
Quote Posted by BrokenArts
Nice dig up on something pretty trivial.
Its not about saying "nyah nyah I was right and you were wrong", its about being able to acknowledge (at least to yourself) when you turn out to be proven wrong. Its about saying "hmm, well that wasn't at all what I thought, I should adjust my perception accordingly" instead of just writing it off and going along with the exact same opinions.
That is the most destructive thing we have about politics, the inability to be wrong. Just recognize that you probably aren't right about everything you feel you are right about (nobody is). You might not know exactly what those things are, but when something very obvious like this comes along, its really useful information and you shouldn't pass it over.
Matthew on 5/2/2009 at 10:28
Quote Posted by pavlovscat
I did not vote for Obama because I didn't, and still don't, know enough about him.
Just out of interest, what points were you seeking information on?
