D'Juhn Keep on 31/8/2002 at 13:09
Oh, I was wrong.
But anyway, I don't think Helios/JC does want to "control peoples' minds", just run the world well.
Daffyd on 1/9/2002 at 00:24
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Originally posted by D'Juhn Keep Oh, I was wrong.
But anyway, I don't think Helios/JC does want to "control peoples' minds", just run the world well. I dont think there would be any other way for them to do it.
D'Juhn Keep on 1/9/2002 at 11:14
"Helios shut down the power to the government and Triad headquarters and opened up the roads again. People just went along with it because it helped them".
Or words to those effect.
Eyrd Parker on 1/9/2002 at 18:56
After a long enough period of time, many will get the idea and react and he will have to.
Charon on 4/9/2002 at 20:47
Helios is a computer program; I suppose we can safely assume that Helios is limited by his program design. I suspect it's unable to draw conclusions from certain sets of data; after all, that's why it wants to merge with JC: it wants to gain some human experience. On the other hand, it was designed and created by Everett and Page, with the intent of serving Page; one must assume that it's programmed to accomplish the same goals that Page wanted to. Perhaps Helios/JC is an entity that combines the cold ambition, logic, and manipulation of Page with JC's ruthlessness. Both entities are highly intelligent; I think it's a mistake to assume that Helios/JC is altruistic, or is foolish enough to allow people to act against its interest. They may react, but that's it:
Helios/JC: "The curfew is in effect. Please return to your homes."
Generic Citizen: "I don't wanna! Staying out and partying is fun!"
Helios/JC: "Your home is supplied with endorphin-inducing drugs, and you will be given a dose once you enter the door. Your compliance will be ensured by a contingent of security bots."
Ok, that's oversimplified, but Helios/JC is likely to manipulate people the same way the Illuminati tried to. It was created in their image, and manipulated to become like them; it's not likely to change, even with JC's idealism influencing it. I'm being a bit cynical, but hey -- that's 12.8% of the fun of Deus Ex!
Nethawk on 5/9/2002 at 04:49
:thumb:
Exactly!
D'Juhn Keep on 5/9/2002 at 16:23
Yeees, except why is it in Helios/JC's interests to not have people out late at night having fun? Surely they're intelligent enough to realise that a happy populace is a content populace? Again we get back to the whole "controlling peoples' minds thing" to which I say Helios/JC just wouldn't want or have to.
Charon on 5/9/2002 at 17:01
Granted, Helios/JC would probably not want to prevent people from going out at night; I meant it as an example, although an overly simple one. I wanted to point out that it's unwise to make assumptions about Helios/JC, just as it's unwise to make assumptions about Everett. Helios says it wants to administrate the world (or something to that effect), which could mean several things: that it wants to organize governments, for or against the people, or that it wishes to be a dictator. In either case, it becomes a sole entity responsible for the care and government of trillions (?) of humans. Theoretically, it cannot make any decision that is in the interest of all of humanity, even if it wants to.
In the end, I felt that Helios/JC restricted humankind's freedom the most because, at best, it would try to balance the needs of the many against the interests of individuals. Everett, at least, didn't want to interfere directly. The Illuminati operate by influencing and suggestion, but they still allow for some independent decision. But to be honest, I found Tong's ending most appealing.
SubJeff on 11/9/2002 at 13:17
Seeing as the Illuminati have "always" existed and the events in Deus Ex are just a blip in history I'd go for that ending. The control is subtle and is for the greater good in the end.
Helios ending appeals to my egomanical side though. And given the date and the predicted reliance on tech he would be v v powerful. That's why the Dark Age would come about - the utter relience on networks.
Nethawk on 11/9/2002 at 16:35
Judging by how many people chose Helios' ending, I'd say that many believe they'd be willing to merge with technology themselves. However, I'd say that the best person for the job is the one that doesn't want it.:rolleyes:
