The Kurgan on 1/8/2002 at 22:07
So, what do you think? I think it is the Illuminati ending, and here's my interpretation for them all:
New Dark Age
This is, I think, the worst ending. I hate it. O.K so it gives you infinite freedom, fair enough. But basically this sets the Human race back to the Middle Ages. We'd be back to waring over farmland and rescources with small alliances, backstabbing and treachery. Not very advanced is it?
Our technology nowadays is advanced enough to completely destroy this planet, which is dangerous and scary. Without gobal communications, how he hell are we supposed to keep track of all the weapons of mass destruction? And terrosism will also run rampant. The Iraqis will find it much easier to get their hands on a nuke, and if they did, Washington, New York, London would be gone and we wouldn't know where it came from. We couldn't track troop movements, less control over civil wars, riots and natural and unnatural disasters (eg. a second Chernobyl).
We could forget about NATO and the free West. Everything America finds out, Britian finds out. And everything Israel finds out, America finds out and so on. This is the security global communications gives us and without it we wouldn't know when each other is attacked, which would destroy the main purpose of NATO: 'An attack on one is an attack on us all'.
Plus, the first Industrial Revolution caused enough damage to this planet. A second one wouldn't do much good.
Helios
A world ruled by a benevolent and all knowing God. I liked the sound of that, that's why I chose this ending first time round.
Like the machine said, "Humans realised that they were unfit to govern themselves". This is almost true, I mean this democratic system we all live under can sometimes be rediculous. I have an endless list of the corrupt politics and laws implied to certian situations which can really make you laugh. For example I read an article in the paper with this headline: "This thug spits at this police officer. The officer pushes him away. Guess which one was prosecuted." The cop. For attacking a bystander. Bullshit.
Also, here in Britain, a law has been passed forbidding primary school teachers to even raise their voices to the pupils. Where's the disipline in that? What lessons will be learned? None.
So then, if a God were to rule, none of this would happen. The Earth would literally be a perfect place to live, with a ruler who lacks, greed, ambition and isn't corrupted by absolute power. It would rule for the benifet of the people, and would have no personal agenda.
The problem I see though, is that all our needs would be provided to us and there would be no more wars, corruption, poverty or disease. We would get used to depending on 'him' and over time we would never consider having to fend for ourselves, just like the pilot episode of Star Trek: Voyager.
This being that was created in the 2040's would, then, still be taking care of us in the year 10,191? Since it is a God then it couldn't possibly become obsolete! So no matter how far the Human race evolved physically we wouldn't be bettering ourselves because we would still be under the infinite wisdom of this 'God'.
The Human race would be mere children and could we survive without his leadership if we had to?
Illuminati
My favourite ending. And the best one for humanity.
Yes, I hated Mogran Everrett after finding DeBeers, and yes, this man rules the world with the same such remorseless. Nevertheless it is this type of situation that will allow us to better ourselves.
Humanity has struggled through many catastrophes but we have ultimately ended up better off in the end. The Roman Empire for example. At the time is was the most civilized and advanced portion of Mankind and looked like the way forward for civilization. But they all died. And how terrible it must have been. Savage barbarians killing and reducing an entire society the size of Europe to ashes and the uncivilized Dark Age began. Yet they have laid the foundation for the Western world. The Alphabet, roads, English and every other European language, the modern calender, currency etc.
Also, the Second World War. Probably the worst thing thats ever happened to the world. The Germans invaded Poland, which started their war against Britain and France. Nobody else was eager fight in an expensive war so they just watched until they themselves were attacked. The war was won once everyone started to gang up on them but if it was left any later then the Germans probably would have won. This catastrophe cost many lives but may have saved just as many. Saddam tried it again by invading Kuwait, but as soon as he made his move, Britain, America, France, Germany all attacked with full force at the same time and pulverized him to make sure that another disaster like WW2 would never happen again.
And in Deus Ex, when the fighting was over and the Illuminati took control, lessons were learned from Majestic 12's and Page's reign of terror. So a manufactured disease or blackmail of governments would never again be allowed to happen.
What's your opinion?
Amorpheus on 1/8/2002 at 22:40
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Originally posted by The Kurgan But basically this sets the Human race back to the Middle Ages. We'd be back to waring over farmland and rescources with small alliances, backstabbing and treachery. Not very advanced is it?Actually you "only" blow up the world's central communications hub. Doesn't mean all electronic devices just vanish and electricity was never heard of... ;)
Personally, I'd go with Helios, but the Illuminati one is probably the safest. Can't really say before if the machine has any ulterior motives...
Crazysheep on 1/8/2002 at 22:44
I chose Dark Age ending, because:
A) I liked Tong.
B) I didn't like Helios or Page, and wanted to take them both out.
C) More freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D
D) The communication problem should take less than a decade to fix.
The Kurgan on 1/8/2002 at 22:57
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Originally posted by Amorpheus Actually you "only" blow up the world's central communications hub. Doesn't mean all electronic devices just vanish and electricity was never heard of... ;)
Personally, I'd go with Helios, but the Illuminati one is probably the safest. Can't really say before if the machine has any ulterior motives... Yeah, but but headcase Tong said, "We'll start again! Live in village's!" Without far reaching communications, you'd never be able to warn or give orders to an army in the field or even know what's happening. The best they would have is walkie talkie's!
Stainboy on 2/8/2002 at 15:11
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Originally posted by The KurganThe best they would have is walkie talkie's!That depends really. I find it hard to believe (not to say that i'm right) that in the DE future, if I want to phone someone down the road, the data has to go all the way across the Atlantic and back just so "they" can listen in on my phone call. Highly improbable, and very impractical IMO.
Ditto Amporpheus - I reckon that the worst the "Dark Age" ending could do is to temporarily slow down global communications. It's not like the actual physical aspect of communications networks would get destroyed or anything. Worst case scenario, the world gets thrown into disarray for a year at most. But is this
good for humanity, or bad? Methinks the latter - we'd still be too reliant on technology and we'd be back in the same mess in a decades time.
So, which of the other two? I say Helios - global domination for you (i.e. JC), and logic and order to humanity. Everyone wins :D.
Stainboy.
Daffyd on 2/8/2002 at 15:42
your selections are the exact backwards to mine - i completed them in the same order, but that is because I dont like like to leave things on a bad note (award the bronze first, I say).
Bronze - Illuminati. This is the worst possible world I can imagine living in; it is probably comparable to the world we live in today. Not only that but if you remember the conversation you have with Paul in the hangar, these people that you would be putting in power are the people that Paul was fighting against. A group of elite who are willing to manipulate world events such as wars for their own gains in power and wealth. Everett loses me when you meet him in his lab: when you mention curing the plague he dismisses it as a trivial issue, then goes on to talk about getting the Illuminati back in power.
Silver - Helios. Quite frankly this ending scares me. Anyone who would choose this over a dark-age need to watch/ read more classic science-fiction. The world would become a paradise of sorts, and a hell-on-earth; what good is living if you don't experience life? Quite frankly I can't picture Helios or J.C. being capable of providing humanity with its emotional needs (neither of them have all that much depth in personality), and the concept removes one of humanities most fundamental needs: freedom. "Eat, human... Drink, human... Sit-drop-stay, human ... don't think, just be content."
Gold - Dark Age. While it sounds scary, I'm sure it is the best option. It wouldn't completely destroy what has been built, merely remove the existence and possibility of global control. I am aware that there would be many tyrants rising to fill the power vacuum, and that the Triads would most certainly be one of them, but I think that as long as people like Chad, Paul and that NSF Commander in the 1st level are around that there would always be a chance for a good, free system. If JC survives he could travel the world kicking all the as*holes back where they belong: (between the cheeks)
santaClaws on 2/8/2002 at 17:44
the best ending is the one with the girls! :drool:
i chose helios, however
Amorpheus on 2/8/2002 at 18:36
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Originally posted by Daffyd The world would become a paradise of sorts, and a hell-on-earth; what good is living if you don't experience life? Quite frankly I can't picture Helios or J.C. being capable of providing humanity with its emotional needs (neither of them have all that much depth in personality), and the concept removes one of humanities most fundamental needs: freedom. "Eat, human... Drink, human... Sit-drop-stay, human ... don't think, just be content."What says we'd live like that? Helios' main goal was, if I recall correctly, to replace the corrupt governments. Not a tight grip on every individual.
PowerCrazy on 4/8/2002 at 06:58
Helios wasn't going to turn teh world into a police-state (unlike Bush) but was going to govern the world and take care of all the things politicians find ways of skimming of the top of. He'd basically be a huge number cruncher, telling everyone the amount of money to spend for road maintence, how many police to hire etc. He would be a global presence, but wouldn't be interested in the indivduals life-style. Just in makeing things easier for humanity. At least thats how i do it if i were JC...
Daffyd on 5/8/2002 at 05:03
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Originally posted by PowerCrazy Helios wasn't going to turn teh world into a police-state (unlike Bush) but was going to govern the world and take care of all the things politicians find ways of skimming of the top of. He'd basically be a huge number cruncher, telling everyone the amount of money to spend for road maintence, how many police to hire etc. He would be a global presence, but wouldn't be interested in the indivduals life-style. Just in makeing things easier for humanity. At least thats how i do it if i were JC... I don't agree. If everything about the world was the same except that a computer does the job of a local council, then It would still leave the elite positions open for the taking- People would form their own little tyrannies. There are 2 waya around it: give Helios power to hold people down (perhaps an army of intelligent bots), or to change the day to day living of every man so as to create a sort of Utopia like those in classic science fiction. So what happens when the number cruncher decides that the best thing for road maintenance is to remove useless people from society: Euthenasia for disabled! Euthenasia for over-40's! Euthenasia all 'round!