Briareos H on 6/4/2006 at 06:07
Quote Posted by Stitch
Your peers also fall into the category of "generally too young for a night of bliss with Uncle Stitch," although not to the same degree that a fifteen year old girl would.
Wanna try ? I'm free right now.
EDIT : oh wait you're a guy
EDIT 2 : it isn't really a problem is it
Fingernail on 6/4/2006 at 07:50
DEATH IN VENICE
Rogue Keeper on 6/4/2006 at 09:00
Quote Posted by Dia
But I still question the mental health of an adult male who is seriously attracted to and may act on that attraction to a teen-aged girl. That denotes a serious dysfunction in that man's brain IMO. (Common thoughts when people see an older man hitting on a teen-age girl; either 'Pervert!', or, 'What's wrong, couldn't you get a woman your own age, Loser?') I'm of course referring to men who are more than several years older than the teen in question. And no; most people don't think that type of attraction is 'natural' (especially parents).
All that is disputable, that's why trans-generational relationshops between teenagers and significantly older partners are such a taboo. First we should stop generalizing such relationships and consider all their circumstances. There is an important factor of mental level, preferences and nature of both partners in such relationship, what environment they were growing up in, what preferences for opposite sex they have, what they seek in relationship. Afterall no relationship can efficiently work, unless both partners are attracting each other and are tuned on similar "frequency".
As you said, age of both partners would be an important factor, personally I think that the bigger age diference between partners, the more abnormal, uncommon, eccentric relationship would be.
Then I think we shouldn't see teenage girls as some totally innocent angels. Especially not today. Modern society is sexually very open, even excessively explicit. Teenagers have sex earlier than generations of their parents or grandparents, so they are getting sexually mature sooner. Some teenies are actually more mature than they age would suggest and they can be pretty seductive little monsters. Many of them dress and behave in a sexually provocative manner, intentionally or not (but rather intentionally). Talk about Lolita syndrome.
Trans-generational relationships seem to be more common in higher society and among celebrities. A girl or boy who's growing up in serious world of adults learns how to be mature sooner than his mates who are growing up among friends around their age. His/her intelligence is also important factor in how quickly he/she mentally grows up. And so they are getting involved with partners from the world of adults. There are cases of teenage girls who have almost gerontophilic love for older guys. I personally had a classmate in highschool, her father died when she was 15 and since then she was developing preference for mature guys. She admited that mature guys provide her a sort of compensation for her lost father. Now she's 26 and her boyfriend is around 50. She was after me one time too. I'm glad I resisted.
Extreme cases even think that daddy is hot.
But what about this obscure thing called "true love"?. They say that love blossoms in any age, sees no color - and also creates the most bizarre relationships. So is it possible that an early mature 15 years old "Lolita" and a 40 years old teacher would "truly love" each other? Sick people can love each other too. Bizarre? Sick? Abnormal? Eccentric? Possibly. Such are cases of forbidden love, and they can be actually enriching and refreshing for both sides.
Would be such relationship worth of eternal social condemnation, pointing fingers and punishment? Everyone must answer for him/herself. But then isn't it sick, to severely punish "true love"? And it often happens that those who are condemning trans-generational relationships most, are just secretly envious, because they would like to have such an attractive young partner too, yet can't obtain one. So they they better join the "normal" condemning crowd. Here we go, righteous social hypocrisy.
Then we have some thing called platonic paedophilia. This phenomenon is not uncommon between artists, writers, poets, painters and other "complex souls", many of them are otherwise appreciated by the society for they work. They were attracted to children not sexually, but aesthetically, mentally. For them, children are often source of inspiration. Or call it just excessive love for children. I think Michael Jackson is some sort of platonic paedophile. I'm not convinced he's a serious child molester.
To extend what Naartjie already implied... Evolutionary theories are concerned with factors that enable a species to survive, and it has been suggested that some sexual preferences are more likely to be easily learnt, specifically those that cause the offspring of any sexual union to have a better chance of survival. As youth is associated more highly with physical strength, and, apparently, more successful reproduction, sexual stimuli associated with youth could be seen as aiding the survival of the species by giving a better chance of survival to its offspring. Thus the theory suggests that sexual arousal in response to youthful characteristics could be biological rather than as a result of influences in the family or society. This theory does not account for the fact that the children involved are often below the age of reproductive maturation, so it doesn't apologize true paedophilia.
Most people don't think that many things are natural/acceptable, but most people are also don't see a larger picture of human sexuality, psychology and all it's nuances. People also love to generalize, stereotypize and make quick judgements. Without trying to apologize child molestation, I think everyone should consider that many paedophiles were also victims of sexual abuse in their childhood and could have been growing up in seriously disrupted family environment. Every doctor who specializes on such cases can confirm that. I think that just like in case of any other area of crime, society should beter focus on prevention rather than on punishment.
foolinabox on 6/4/2006 at 10:56
Quote Posted by Uncia
That one child can fuck right off and stop making the world a stupider place to live in for the rest of us. It's a stupid argument that can be used to justify
anything and people who use it are poopoo heads. Don't be a poopoo head.
Nice. Im glad I dont know you personaly. I hope that one child that should not be saved will be yours. World seems to be full of selfish bastards apparently.
Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky
So, tell us.
Okay. Its like having a secret, that may never come out. A rock on your chest that just cant be put down. For me its a fear. Im female. But I practicaly never never wear dress. When a man comes closer to me that 15cm I feel dirty and I want to run away. I never do anything to be atractive to men, quite opposite actually. I go great lengths not to look attractive. An aquaintance once showed me as an oddity a clip of kiddieporn. I totally flipped. I spent two days locked in my room before I dared to come out again. And then I sent a rather long and thorough expaning email to that guy. Every day is a fight with fears to socialy function, a fight to just push down the desire to simply step out... So there. I live in a box with maximum occupancy of one.
Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky
Was the guy who molested you the same one that put you in the box?
Yes. And they nailed the lid shut.
Rogue Keeper on 6/4/2006 at 11:03
Quote Posted by foolinabox
When a man comes closer to me that 15cm I feel dirty and I want to run away.
I feel similarly about women. Let's talk about Thief.
From this safe distance.
Koki on 6/4/2006 at 11:18
Quote Posted by Stitch
Physical attraction is only one part of the equation. Real sexual attraction takes place between the heads[snip]
Do you have anything to back that up or you speak Wisdom Of Years?
Briareos H on 6/4/2006 at 13:02
When you thought the thread couldn't turn worse.
Now the trainwreck is complete. Oh and foolinabox, you know that exposing your personal problems to a bunch of unknown people to backup an argument is not very clever, yes ?
foolinabox on 6/4/2006 at 13:07
Quote Posted by Briareos H
When you thought the thread couldn't turn worse.
Now the trainwreck is
complete.
It was a trainwrek from the start. It that kind of a topic...
Quote Posted by Briareos H
Oh and foolinabox, you know that exposing your personal problems to a bunch of unknown people to backup an argument is not very clever, yes ?
Do you think I would be saying any of this if I knew any of you? I dont think so... This topic simply touces a personal sorespot, so self controll is a bit difficult... Some peole here have so screwed perspectives.
Rogue Keeper on 6/4/2006 at 13:20
Quote Posted by foolinabox
Some peole here have so screwed perspectives.
But frankly said, you are screwed. I don't blame you. I'm screwed in my own way and some others here are screwed in their own way. And what is most important, I don't think people should be like machines programmed to the "only one correct" perspective.