What overturning Roe v. Wade could mean for birth control access, maternal care - by Dia
PigLick on 15/11/2022 at 11:54
I am trying to lose weight godammit but you guys keep forcing me to eat pastry treats, late at night. Stop.
BritKnee on 15/11/2022 at 11:55
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GIMME THOSE TITTIES
Is this the forum experience my generation is missing...?
rachel on 15/11/2022 at 12:12
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Mixed race (Kurdish and Irish) trans-masc individual, even with that I still believe it's what people use as a deflector in arguments, a way they can shut down any change. Because as America has shown, it works.
Your post shows how black and white your world view is, that is what requires education.
(edit: I just want to add, because it sounds self victimizing, that I am not visibly mixed race so I can take that out of the equation. But the gender one is in full force.)
Uh, interesting. And even with your background, you would still argue that
"out here it is class that separates everyone", as opposed to the US? I find this pretty striking. Admittedly I don't know about Czechia, but to take two examples France has some pretty freaking racist undercurrents and the UK is literally TERF Island, so these are topics that are very present, in my own experience.
As for my world view it's all shades of grey, unfortunately for me.
BritKnee on 15/11/2022 at 12:44
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France has some pretty freaking racist undercurrents and the UK is literally TERF Island.
This is definitely very true
rachel on 15/11/2022 at 15:06
I can't disagree with you that the US, as the cultural juggernaut that it is, has a global influence on things, but I wouldn't be too quick to just blame extreme discourse in Europe on that. While they may adopt elements of language or trendy catchphrases from twitter, populist parties in Europe have been perfectly capable these past few years to tap into people's frustrations and fears in order further their ideologies... and succeed. I do differ from you in that for me "Europe" generally means the EU, so I understand your point better now you clarified your narrower notion of it.
BritKnee on 15/11/2022 at 15:27
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I can't disagree with you that the US, as the cultural juggernaut that it is, has a global influence on things, but I wouldn't be too quick to just blame extreme discourse in Europe on that. While they may adopt elements of language or trendy catchphrases from twitter, populist parties in Europe have been perfectly capable these past few years to tap into people's frustrations and fears in order further their ideologies... and succeed. I do differ from you in that for me "Europe" generally means the EU, so I understand your point better now you clarified your narrower notion of it.
I get my right to vote next year, but I don't know what to do with it because while we have more parties (which I've seen people want for the US and UK) they mean nothing to me because they don't suit the ideologies of the younger demographic. I don't know any fix to this.
Cipheron on 16/11/2022 at 03:13
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As someone who lives in the European Union I don't understand why people bring up factors such as race, gender etc into these conversations when discussing global events.
Because ... this thread isn't about global events, it's about a specific event in a specific country, so the local politics is everything.
The history of the USA with slavery etc is why race is so important there: in Mississippi and Louisiana, for example, over 1 in 3 people are descendants of slaves, so it's basically a huge chunk of the population, and the white elites of those states are STILL trying to suppress them. So it's not history there, it's current events.
And gender is basically the ENTIRE discussion if you're discussing abortion rights. Abortions happen to women, so what conceivably universe exists in which gender doesn't come into the whole discussion? Gender is basically what the discussion is about.
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It's ridiculous, there is no chance of these human rights abuses happening here because 1. no one wants them 2. our bureaucratic processes are so thick that nothing could ever get through to banning abortions and the like. Yet I've seen Americans (while talking about their country) saying, "they could be after you next" referring to my sexuality. It makes discussing politics pointless.
It feels like you're bringing stuff into the discussion that nobody brought up. The topic of discussion is the fact that women in the USA are increasingly impacted by lack of abortion access. There doesn't need to be a "slippery slope" in which people in Europe somehow lose rights. The lack of abortion access in the USA is bad enough.
Also, as for why *anyone* would say they're coming for gay rights because of the Roe v Wade decision, merely comes down to how they wrote an entirely unnecessary addendum to the Roe v Wade decision, saying that the same logic COULD be applied to the laws on same sex marriage, legal contraception, and even inter-racial marriage. So the court was basically winking at the far-right to please come and challenge all these other laws too. The religious right in the USA would ban condoms if they could get away with it, it's on their wish list.
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Also, while it's off-topic, I think it's complacent to think that there's no rising right-wing in Europe who would take your rights away if you let them. The flavor is different to the US right, but they still exist and are growing.
Starker on 16/11/2022 at 06:59
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Also, while it's off-topic, I think it's complacent to think that there's no rising right-wing in Europe who would take your rights away if you let them. The flavor is different to the US right, but they still exist and are growing.
Case in point:
[video=youtube;ZFV0VaufMOM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFV0VaufMOM[/video]
... to briefly summarize, it's not as much a slippery slope as one single fuckup that's really needed for an entire country to slide under authoritarian rule (cf the US presidential election of 2016 culminating with an attempted insurrection to stop a democratic process).
BritKnee on 16/11/2022 at 09:37
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Case in point:
[video=youtube;ZFV0VaufMOM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFV0VaufMOM[/video]
... to briefly summarize, it's not as much a slippery slope as one single fuckup that's really needed for an entire country to slide under authoritarian rule (cf the US presidential election of 2016 culminating with an attempted insurrection to stop a democratic process).
I would be surprised if the rest of the EU nations don't somehow suppress Hungary in the future. Unlike Poland (another right wing country) the EU doesnt
need Hungary.
My only personal experience over there was a train conductor not letting me on a train because he thought I was a Ukrainian refugee despite my non Ukrainian passport.
