Renzatic on 26/1/2014 at 21:05
The question is, why would EM copy something no one was sure would be a big hit? If Dishonored were well established by the point Roy came on board, I'd be more willing to concede your point, but with everything considered, it makes more sense that its thematic similarities are more coincidental than heavy inspiration.
...though I'll give myself some wiggle room and say I could be wrong. We'll see how it all comes together ingame.
SubJeff on 27/1/2014 at 09:13
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To me, they're entirely different characters.
More than that - where are you people getting that the Beggar Queen has magic powers or that Granny Rags used to be a queen? If you're going to be this dumb no one can help you.
FatSpy on 27/1/2014 at 13:50
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They're similar on the surface, but are
completely different in personality and presentation.
Granny Rags? She's a crazy old bat living in a rundown apartment on the edge of town, who only barely acknowledges who you are and what you're doing. She's kinda there to serve as an example of the dark side of the outsiders influence, and to be...well...kinda flat out creepy.
The Beggar Queen? From that one video we all saw, she looked completely sane, and more than a little competent. She seems to be playing the role of an information broker. Someone who knows at least a bit about everything that's going on in the city, and might be one of the big movers and shakers behind the scenes.
To me, they're entirely different characters.
I guess I jumped to conclusions, but its still something that bothers me. When I saw them first get introduced was like right around the time a lot of people where pointing out the dishonored similarities in the plotline and gameplay and speculating that thief 4 would not even come out if dishonored wouldn't have been a success so the second I saw the poor old lady (I guess I sort of figured on my own they'd have magic powers because the picture kind of implied it at least to me) I was just like "Ok this is getting out of hand." The character concept though is too similar for my liking though.
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More than that - where are you people getting that the Beggar Queen has magic powers or that
Granny Rags used to be a queen? If you're going to be this dumb no one can help you.
You get told like right after you help her that the outsider made her crazy and poor for not choosing the right person to marry. At least from what I remember.
SubJeff on 27/1/2014 at 14:06
And that makes her a queen?
FatSpy on 27/1/2014 at 14:24
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And that makes her a queen?
She was a princess or a noble or something of high wealth.
SubJeff on 27/1/2014 at 14:26
So either way she wasn't ever a queen.
Renzatic on 27/1/2014 at 14:26
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You get told like right after you help her that the outsider made her crazy and poor for not choosing the right person to marry. At least from what I remember.
No, you were told that kings and emperors used to beg for her hand or something like that. The only thing you could take from that is that she used to mingle in high society. How she ended up where she's at is never directly stated. All you know is that she's very powerful, and is one of a few people who possess the Outsider's Gift.
The Beggar Queen? Hell, I don't even know if she has magical powers, and her status as queen is only an honorary title or a nickname, because she has the attention and respect of all the forgotten people in the city.
The only similarity between the two is that they're old blind ladies. They have nothing else in common as characters.
TheCityCouncil on 27/1/2014 at 14:39
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The only similarity between the two is that they're old blind ladies. They have nothing else in common as characters.
Old blind lady as an oracle-like figure? I think they already had that in ancient Greece and before. Darn copycats.
FatSpy on 27/1/2014 at 14:41
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No, you were told that kings and emperors used to beg for her hand or something like that. The only thing you could take from that is that she used to mingle in high society. How she ended up where she's at is never directly stated. All you know is that she's very powerful, and is one of a few people who possess the Outsider's Gift.
The Beggar Queen? Hell, I don't even know if she has magical powers, and her status as queen is only an honorary title or a nickname, because she has the attention and respect of all the forgotten people in the city.
The only similarity between the two is that they're old blind ladies. They have nothing else in common as characters.
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So either way she wasn't ever a queen.
My argument isn't "They ripped off the character completely" it's: The fact they would have such a similar character concept ontop of all the other similarities from a game the whole 'jumping on a bandwagon' thing seems so prevalent that it has the potential to ruin the atmosphere for me personally.
Sure they're not that similar, but in the few ways which they are is what sticks out.
SubJeff on 27/1/2014 at 14:43
Old ladies at a premium up this shizzle!
What other ways has Thief jumped on the bandwagon? Apart from having a male protagonist who can hide in shadows of course.
