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Gingerbread Man on 27/10/2006 at 02:15
Quote Posted by Gorgonseye
... your going to ... your going to ... its best to ... then no education at all. But, your going to ... it will more then likley pay off.
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PigLick on 27/10/2006 at 02:40
I must be lucky then because I teach at a school where there are only a couple of indifferent teachers, the majority are excellent at what they do and really do care about the school.
"The teachers are poor, the resources spotty, and the children largely unimaginative and unmotivated". I guess I cant speak for the US or Canada, but that is such an uninformed blanket statement. Most teachers are trying their best, and at least half the kids that I teach, I would gladly teach for free, cos they are very nice people, imaginative and motivated.
sensitive about the education issue itt
Gingerbread Man on 27/10/2006 at 02:54
Well, you are lucky, then. And what I say really only applies to the average public school (not that kind of public school, you English rotters... the opposite of that) in North America. Though I fear the schools in the UK are almost as bad.
Around here at least, it really seems like everyone's going through the motions, doing what's expected and very little else, you can't go two years without some kind of strike that disrupts the school year for at least three months and boils down to the teachers not wanting to do extra work, and the kids are largely ignorant of the fact that the education system is failing them at nearly every turn.
There are good schools, there are great schools. And bu the time you get to university or college, the only people still fucking about like it's an obligation or expectation or social club are a smallish percentage of first-year students.
Whatever my dismal outlook and most likely unfairly-general comments, my point had nothing to do with that, really. My point was twofold: Students have to demand an education and relish it and participate in the learning and actively pursue it, and the second point had to do with cherishing the good teachers you find along the way because they have the potential to do more for you in the long run that you could ever imagine.
Basically all meta-stuff. The motivation and the value you place on getting an education. Or something.
Personally, I had a great education. Partly because I had good teachers for a lot of it, and partly because I realised the value behind learning how to learn and I decided to wring every last drop of information every step of the way.
But if you were a teacher here, you would consider yourself unimaginably lucky to be in the situation you describe. And that's the most shocking and disgustingly horrible part of it.
Well, no. The most shocking and disgustingly horrible part of it is that the kids who are being betrayed don't, on the whole, know or care that they are.
fett on 27/10/2006 at 02:56
Quote Posted by PigLick
sensitive about the education issue itt
Also sensitive about using apostrophes when needed.
ercles on 27/10/2006 at 03:35
Well over in Sydney you honestly can't expect much from a public school, and the general feeling is that if you want a good education you have to ship your child off to a private school. I found my public school experience in Canada was far superior to anything I encountered over here.
SD on 27/10/2006 at 03:45
Quote Posted by ercles
Well over in Sydney you honestly can't expect much from a public school, and the general feeling is that if you want a good education you have to ship your child off to a private school.
Because "public school" and "private school" mean the same thing in Britain, can we perhaps use "state school" as some kind of pan-continental compromise for state-run educational establishments? Otherwise I'm liable to get mondo confuzzled :)
aguywhoplaysthief on 27/10/2006 at 03:54
If they ever did year-round schooling here in any widespread way, we'd have a serious shortage of teachers.
Ko0K on 27/10/2006 at 04:10
"Onus"?
Shug on 27/10/2006 at 06:55
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
Because "public school" and "private school" mean the same thing in Britain, can we perhaps use "state school" as some kind of pan-continental compromise for state-run educational establishments? Otherwise I'm liable to get mondo confuzzled :)
The only problem here is 'state school' usually refers to a primary school establishment :D
That, and the collection of well known, mostly private highschool institutions in my city are collectively known as "Greater Public Schools" for some bizarro reason
ercles on 27/10/2006 at 07:46
You live in Sydney, Shug?
Anyway, to translate for the limeys...
Australian Public School = Government run, free to attend
Australian Private School = Privately run, costs an arm and a leg, still gets funding from the government (a bone of contention in the education system), and often have a religious basis.
