Starker on 3/8/2021 at 04:15
I'd say Twin Peaks is very distinct from Sherlock Holmes and really made its own trope with Agent Cooper. Where you previously had very rational detectives, solving their cases mainly through deduction and logic alone, now you had a guy solve their cases by throwing stones at a bottle.
Tocky on 5/8/2021 at 02:55
I am the last science fiction nerd on the planet to watch the Firefly series I reckon. Nothing I can say about it that the rest of you don't know. A damn shame network execs don't know enough to leave a good story on the air. At least there was the Serenity movie to bring closure. I know it was damn near corny at times but it was corny cool and that covers a multitude of sins. It made a lot of camaraderie and was a grand adventure in swashbuckler style. As good in it's way as The Mandalorian. It made you care about the characters and in the end that's what matters in any story.
nicked on 5/8/2021 at 20:06
I felt the opposite, watching Firefly years later. Maybe I'd have liked it when it was new. But by the time I watched it, I was already long tired of Joss Whedon's angsty, quipping cardboard cut-outs, so I gave up after 2 episodes when I'd yet to see anyone act like a human being.
Tocky on 6/8/2021 at 03:12
Have you SEEN many science fiction series? They are all like that to a degree. The Mandalorian was. I mean, if you are going to have a movie you can do serious like Alien but if you want a long story arc you have to have relief from constant peril and the captain of Serenity had some of that tortured soul thing to balance out the quips. Sort of like The Witcher. There were layers but you had to watch for awhile. You know what? I'm not going to convince you. You either like them or you don't. I will say the Summer Glau character got on my nerves for various reasons but even she redeemed herself in the movie. Personally I wish there was more like it. I love the idea of a ragtag band of misfits living on the edge of society and the law, always struggling to survive and barely doing so by their wits. They were all held together by the moral fiber of their captain (a man who denied having any) though it was never outright stated. And they were exploring space. How cool is that?
Starker on 6/8/2021 at 04:21
For me, imperfect half-realized attempts like Firefly are the only thing that even remotely manage to appease the hunger for a show like Babylon 5, especially once I made peace with the fact that there might never be a space opera as good again.
rachel on 6/8/2021 at 08:30
This thread feels too big to look for old posts, did you check The Expanse, Starker? For me, it is the worthy successor to B5 that BSG in its time almost got to be, but couldn't. Everything from characters to settings to the overarching themes and story arcs...
Starker on 6/8/2021 at 13:00
Yes, I'm watching it right now, season 1. So far it's not grabbing me, but to be fair neither did B5 until it was a dozen or more episodes in. Maybe I should have started with the books?
rachel on 6/8/2021 at 13:26
I started with the tv show myself, and I haven't read all.the books. It takes a bit to introduce everything as there are several parallel storylines so indeed you've got to give it a few episodes for a fair take. I hope it clicks eventually! :)
nicked on 6/8/2021 at 14:02
Quote Posted by Tocky
Have you SEEN many science fiction series? They are all like that to a degree. The Mandalorian was.
I'm not inherently opposed to a mixture of light-hearted quips and serious tone. I think it's just Joss Whedon's very specific style that grates on me. Something I enjoyed about the Mandalorian was how the main character doesn't make any stupid jokes. The way Joss Whedon uses humour is almost fourth-wall-breaking in its obnoxiousness. Nothing breaks my immersion quicker than a character making a joke that is clearly for the audience's benefit only.
heywood on 6/8/2021 at 16:25
Same here. I couldn't get into it.
I'm disappointed that I didn't stick with Babylon 5. I watched it from the first episode. It was hard to get into at first, but after a handful of episodes it started sucking me in. Then I had a life change and didn't see it for a few months. When I came back to it, it was hard to follow again.