Navyhacker006 on 30/8/2006 at 00:41
I've never been convinced he was insane in the traditional sense. Possessed by the Builder, or the Builder reborn, maybe.
He invented steam-powered robots, security cameras, and a submarine. Not to mention a metal eye that can interface perfectly with a human brain. These things do not suggest insanity.
Plus, the idea that it's a god in human form fits with the previous game. And the succedding, if you define 'god' a bit more loosely.
Azal on 30/8/2006 at 00:58
Quote Posted by Holywhippet
Secondly, back in the Return to the Cathedral mission from the original game you have to sanctify a grave to let a dead Hammerite rest in peace. The notes in the game states that one of the priests feels that this ritual should have been done earlier but could not ask for it without having to explain why it should be neccessary. My impression was that it was because the priest had been involved in the creation of the sunburst device which was prohibited and as a result his spirit could not rest in peace.
You must be the first person I've ever seen to put forth the idea that Renault was somehow punished for creating the sunburst device.
Most people seem to find it more plausible that Renault and Martello were given a supernatural slap across the limp wrists for playing Ring Around the Rectory while they were alive.
SD on 30/8/2006 at 01:11
Quote Posted by Navyhacker006
Plus, the idea that it's a god in human form fits with the previous game. And the succedding, if you define 'god' a bit more loosely.
I find that suggestion bizarre. I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest that Karras was a deity in human form. He most definitely possessed a god complex, but that's something quite different.
june gloom on 30/8/2006 at 01:13
Quote Posted by Azal
Most people seem to find it more plausible that Renault and Martello were given a supernatural slap across the limp wrists for playing Ring Around the Rectory while they were alive.
i misread that as 'rectal'.
... i think i need a nap.
theBlackman on 30/8/2006 at 02:35
Quote Posted by Navyhacker006
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He invented steam-powered robots, security cameras, and a submarine. Not to mention a metal eye that can interface perfectly with a human brain. These things do not suggest insanity.
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There is a question as to "he invented". Cavador did the research and construction of many of the devices. The "Inventor", hired by the Mechs, in SHIPPING AND RECEIVING did many also.
It is more like Karras fostered the experiments that resulted in the inventions, or came up with ideas for them. "Could you/we make a XYZ..." is not the same as doing the research, drafting the plans and constructing the device. The mechanics of the construction were handled by others, as were the actual invention of many including the EYE. Karras gave it to Garrett, but did not himself make it.
Holywhippet on 30/8/2006 at 02:57
Agreed, in the Eavesdropping mission you will likely run into two mechanists who have been given the task of trying to waterproof the robots.
dlw6 on 30/8/2006 at 03:48
Quote Posted by Navyhacker006
He invented steam-powered robots, security cameras, and a submarine. Not to mention a metal eye that can interface perfectly with a human brain. These things do not suggest insanity.
I disagree. Even if he did invented these things (that's another discussion), that indicates intelligence but not sanity. He's a "mad scientist." Karras' behavior seems to fit the profile of a (
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/108/108749.htm) psychopath. The common theory is that (
http://www.webmd.com/content/Article/108/108749.htm?pagenumber=2) malreatment during childhood can cause rare people to become psychopathic. Most of us get over it and grow up, but psychopaths instead learn to "act normal" when it serves their purposes.
As for the particulars, go play the KOTP series to see how and why Karras split from the hammers. I know FM's are not
Canon (pause for reverent silence) but KOTP is good storytelling that fits the known facts.
Don
Frikkinjerk on 30/8/2006 at 04:25
I don't know - I don't think Karras was especially psychopathic. I think he had pretty much the same goal that the Trickster did: to destroy opposition to his rising power. I think this is why Karras targeted the wealthy, because they possess most of the power. That doesn't mean he wasn't crazy, but I think of him more as Jim Jones & Jonestown crazy, as opposed to a Ted Bundy type of crazy. He has a messiah complex.
SD on 30/8/2006 at 07:01
Quote Posted by Frikkinjerk
I don't know - I don't think Karras was especially psychopathic.
And then you go on to list a whole load of reasons that indicate quite strongly that he
was a psychopath. GJ :thumb:
Frikkinjerk on 30/8/2006 at 07:49
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
And then you go on to list a whole load of reasons that indicate quite strongly that he
was a psychopath. GJ :thumb:
Yea, and you've oversimplified a complex psychiatric disorder to include all categorical instances of insanity, apparently.
