Well I'm Back. Again. - by fett
june gloom on 23/3/2021 at 09:52
Good to see you're still kicking. You still mad about Kanye?
fett on 23/3/2021 at 14:43
I've never been mad about Kanye. I'm laughing hysterically at anyone who maintains the fiction that he's a genius. And he's now a Trump fan to boot. Smoke, mirrors, and naked emperors.
Duckeh!
Nicker on 23/3/2021 at 18:30
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Misery loves company....
But you caaaaaaan't have it! We'll just have to do until the real thing comes along.
So glad you are still here and still here, fett.
june gloom on 24/3/2021 at 01:13
Quote Posted by fett
I've never been mad about Kanye. I'm laughing hysterically at anyone who maintains the fiction that he's a genius. And he's now a Trump fan to boot. Smoke, mirrors, and naked emperors.
So that's a "yes." Cool, cool. Hang in there.
fett on 24/3/2021 at 12:37
Ha! It's amusing that anyone thinks I care much about the guy. It's like his buddy Trump. He's a symptom more than the problem. I said he'd be irrelevant on 10 years. He's almost there. :)
june gloom on 24/3/2021 at 17:33
I mean, you did post about him on the regular for quite some time.
Anarchic Fox on 24/3/2021 at 18:24
I devised and then suppressed a half-dozen heart-related puns. :sweat:
While we've rarely interacted, I'm glad you've dodged the scythe yet again, Fett. :D
fett on 25/3/2021 at 06:33
Honestly a lot of that was the steroids at the time and my own frustration with not being able to get out and play. I'm also close with a lot of really talented people who struggle a lot to be noticed at all and have been (IMO) more influential in their genres than he has in his, and can certainly perform at a level that makes a lot of pop music look like the elementary school talent show. There's a very complex and far-reaching discussion going on among "old school" musicians (and I don't mean age, I mean sensibility) about the role of programming, the advent of EDM, etc. simplification of lyrics, lip-syncing and so on lately. It's not like pop music hasn't been built on a lot this stuff for a long time but the more organic side of things was still commercially viable which hasn't been the case for about 10 years. There's plenty of blame to go around for that, none of which is Kanye's - he just leans hard into that non-organic side. I don't even think one is superior to the other - I listen to both, quite a lot actually. But the disconnect between the two is making both boring as hell, pushing most of the stuff I personally enjoy very deep down into the indie black hole of the web, generating less income and support, which in turn makes it harder to tour and produce more content. Kanye was just a glaring link in that chain when he kept coming up here. Now we I could cast Cardi B. in that role, 30 years ago New Kids, 20 years ago.... i don't know, Aphex Twins? Prodigy? There was more diversity up until about 2010 so maybe I wouldn't even have despaired about it. It's problematic because pointing it out automatically labels you as the old guy who hates new music, and I don't (even though I'm the old guy). It's apples and oranges but for the last 10 years, mostly apples and no oranges, if that makes sense. You'd think with the web, there would be more room for variety, but streaming services have made it harder for the oranges to grow and keep producing, while at the same time making them easier to discover and giving them more opportunity be heard, which was really tough 30 years ago. Pros and cons. I hear new stuff all the time that blows my mind but I'd say about 80% of it is sequenced, snapped, optimized, tuned with melodyne, sampled, and programmed, rather than played, which is where about 80% of my interest lies. Kayne happened to be the best example of this not many years ago, and IMO much lesser deserving of the notoriety than others. But I digress....
P.s. Bitching about him also irritated Stitch and RBJ which would have been worth it even if I loved Kanye.
Kolya on 25/3/2021 at 09:58
I have another theory about the current hibernation of rock'n'roll: One of its main strengths is transporting a feeling and if there's anything that the younger generation despises more than boomers it's their emotional manipulation.
Rock'n'roll is regarded as the emotional cushion that boomers put between themselves and their well meant ideals on one side and the world of crass capitalism and exploitation of natural and human resources on the other.
And you have to admit this isn't completely wrong. It's easy to imagine daddy singing along to Street Fighting Man while driving his SUV to his well paid job at a soulless corporation. What would you think as a kid witnessing this cognitive dissonance?
Compared to that hip hop is way more cerebral and narrative (when it isn't posing material wealth and misogynistic crap). It's good at transporting a message but less capable of emotional manipulation.
But this is also why I called it rock'n'roll's hibernation: At some point this will become hip hop's weakness and rock's strength again, when this generation has settled down a bit - or maybe their children!
PigLick on 25/3/2021 at 10:47
As a guitar teacher with students ranging from 5-50, I can say that rock isnt dead at all. What is the most common band I teach to high school students? Nirvana, so there are plenty of kids getting into music that has meaning and punch. Also you might be suprised how many students I have with good musical taste that inherited it from their parents.
Basically all of us here at TTLG are way too old to have any understanding how rock/pop music works with the audience it was always intended for, young people.
excuse me while I go yell at some clouds