242 on 4/8/2008 at 23:33
During my first 2 play-throughs I somehow thought that OC-14 Groza was a great weapon. Now I notice it's almighty inaccurate and even though 9x39 does its job considerably better than 5.56, I find HK G-36 as well as SIG 550 far more effective than Groza due to greater accuracy. And it's not possible to attach a scope to the later either.
So what do you think are the best (the most effective) weapons before Pripyat?
From 5.56 I think it's G-36 and from 9x39 it's Vintorez. VAL is worse than G-36 too, IMO. I'm not sure which is absolute winner - G-36 or Vintorez though.
And am I right thinking that only AK-74, LR-300, and SIG 550 are modifiable despite descriptions of the weapon parts may say? AK-74 and LR-300 may be modified with scope, silencer, and grenade launcher.
SIG 550 may be modified only with grenade launcher. Did I forget something?
D'Arcy on 5/8/2008 at 00:20
I still like to use Barin's modified Groza (uses 5.45 ammo) for every area, except the Red Forest, Pripyat, and NPP. For those three areas my weapon of choice is the Vintorez. Even though the Groza is a bit innacurate, and cannot be fitted with a scope, I enjoy the manual aim, and it's not that difficult to get head shots. And one head shot with the Groza almost always means an instant kill.
I practically never use 5.56 weapons.
Jashin on 5/8/2008 at 01:28
Vintar BC / Vintorez
The Groza burns through 9x39 ammo like there's no tomorrow, and I hate carrying too much weight in ammo. Vintorez lets me do 1 shot 1 kill. I also carry a G36 for close combat.
Apart from that I've used the LR300 a bit on this run. I don't used SG-550 or the L-85 ever, and on my last run (v1.000) I couldn't find enough of that pink ammo for the very-late-game sniper rifles. The Gauss gun didn't do 1 hit kill in 1.0000, so I didn't use it.
driver on 5/8/2008 at 07:35
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I practically never use 5.56 weapons.
Doesn't that make ammuntion a bit of a bugger for everything north of The Bar? 5.56 is far more commonly found on enemies than 5.54 so unless you regularly stock up at traders (An inconvenience in itself) you're going to have to keep an eye on your ammo levels in case you run out at an inopportune moment.
Once I've got it, I use Strelok's rifle up until The Bar (And if I'm heading back down to The Garbage/Cordon I'll re-equip it as my main weapon), after that I use an LR300 (Scoped, no grenade) until I can get my hands on a G36.
I do like the Vintorez, but as ammo isn't commonly found on enemies, I generally only use it for specific tasks as opposed to a main weapon.
Rogue Keeper on 5/8/2008 at 07:51
You can always use saving near trader as exploit. Buy few rare items, save, load, buy more rare items... repeat as many times as you like.
TF on 5/8/2008 at 08:29
AK-74 (preferably the one modified for a higher firing rate) with scope, silencer and grenade launcher. Yes, I do sacrifice efficiency for the coolness of plastering a weapon with addons until it's almost unrecognizable. And ofcourse the Vintorez, for all the 2 shots it can fire before its condition goes down to zero anyway, not that the gun isn't balanced because of that.
Groza seemed to have lower stats than the AK but to be honest it's a bit hard to tell since not all of the stats are actually represented and some might be bogus.
That and it's next to impossible to find the damn grenade launcher for the LR.
D'Arcy on 5/8/2008 at 08:47
Quote Posted by driver
Doesn't that make ammuntion a bit of a bugger for everything north of The Bar?
I simply get so much 5.45 ammo from the other places that I never have to bother. I just stock the ammo at the Bar, and take around 500 rounds with me every time I need to go somewhere. Every time I go to the Garbage or Agroprom, I come back with more 5.45 ammo than what I had when I left. Also, Monoliths use a lot of 5.45 ammo too. I always use the modified Groza in single fire mode (I use every weapon in single fire mode), and I've become pretty efficient with it, getting head shots very often, so I don't think that the Groza 'burns through ammo' as other people are complaining.
Ammo for the Vintorez is very common in Pripyat and in the NPP. You'll also get plenty of it in the Red Forest. Not to mention that there are several stashes with 9x39 ammo. In the Dark Valley you can always get 300 rounds of 9x39 ammo, for instance. And you're always rewarded 9x39 ammo for every mission you perform for Duty.
In the end, I always end up selling both 9x39 and 5.45 ammo, because I have a lot more than I need.
Muzman on 5/8/2008 at 08:57
In the vanilla game I never used the groza because the ammo was so hard to get, so I'd keep whatever I could for the Vintorez. By the time I had access to a lot of it I was already comitted to nato I guess.
I always used what I thought was meant to be an H&K G3A. Apparently its a SIG 550. Either way, with that, unscoped, in the vanilla game I am lethally accurate at just about any range. Which is odd since I've never been able to reproduce this accuracy with any of the scoped assault rifles. It really feels as though magnifying the image magnifies the innacuracy modifier.
242 on 5/8/2008 at 09:33
Quote Posted by TF
Groza seemed to have lower stats than the AK
I don't remember about Strelok's special AK, but Groza's stats are very higher than those of usual AK.
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I still like to use Barin's modified Groza (uses 5.45 ammo)
This is my 3rd play through and I still haven't seen that thing. The man always disappears from the Bar without me noticing it. Later I somehow always find Prapor (alive or killed) as well as some other guys from the Bar on other maps, but not Barin.
One of the disadvantages of Groza is also its weight, 7kg while G36 is about 3.5kg if I remember correctly.
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I always used what I thought was meant to be an H&K G3A. Apparently its a SIG 550. Either way, with that, unscoped, in the vanilla game I am lethally accurate at just about any range.
yes, I think it's the most accurate unscoped assault rifle in the entire game. It has very soft recoil too, and can be modified with grenade launcher. G36 is better anyway - it's scoped and has greater damage per bullet.
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Ammo for the Vintorez is very common in Pripyat and in the NPP. You'll also get plenty of it in the Red Forest. Not to mention that there are several stashes with 9x39 ammo. In the Dark Valley you can always get 300 rounds of 9x39 ammo, for instance. And you're always rewarded 9x39 ammo for every mission you perform for Duty.
Colonel Petrenko always sells them too, as well as Sakharov.
So, I see VAL is not particularly popular, as I suspected :)
Koki on 5/8/2008 at 09:58
I was using scoped Strelok's 74 and the Groza modified for 5.54; but do note I was playing with PLR's Realistic weapons - no crosshair, no aiming zoom, bullets kill people, etc. This way I had two unique guns using same, widespread ammo - one for outside and one for inside. I also modded the modified's Groza magazine capacity up, in the logic of "It uses 74 magazines"(Besides come on, the bullet's almost half the diameter!).
In the vanilla? I was just using whatever the enemies were using so I could scavenge the ammo.
