WE HAVE LIFTOFF!!! - T-plus 38 minutes and counting. - by oudeis
jtr7 on 19/1/2009 at 20:55
Remember that bumper sticker?
"Palpatine 2000 -- For what we deserve"
:o
Ghostly Apparition on 19/1/2009 at 22:11
Quote Posted by BrokenArts
The color of his skin isn't going to change a thing.
You are quite right, the color of his skin isn't going to change anything.
But the people who think that that is what this is all about to the exclusion
of whats been really happening may be in for a surprise.
When you look at who he was up against in the campaign, An ex-First lady
of a by all accounts pretty popular President, a couple of senators with over 60 years experience between them, the 9-11 mayor of New York, some popular Governors. The fact that he beat all of them with hardly a misstep along the way with grace under pressure. Its pretty astounding. For anyone to imply that
he accomplished all that because he was black is deluding themselves. He accomplished all that in SPITE of the fact he is Black.
To those saying he won because he used the word Change..Yes he was about change. But not just as a tactic to win the election, it worked because
the country truly is hungry for change.
Change from economic policies that are bringing the global economy to its knees, change from leaving people stranded on rooftops for many days after a hurricane while the president cuts Birthday cake with his once defeated presidential rival. Change from even having to ask the question whether waterboarding is torture. Change from ineptitude from the President on down through all levels of Government. Change from being lied into a war on false
evidence when they knew there was no WMD's
Yes he has a lot on his plate, there is no blue or red pill thats going to change everything the moment he gets elected, but by God if he can even do half of what I think that he can WITH OUR HELP! Then I think we should try. The alternative is to do nothing and watch this country go down in flames.
Hopefully even the opposition naysayers don't want that.
Give the man a chance.
Aerothorn on 19/1/2009 at 22:24
Quote Posted by fett
Anyone who isn't excited about tomorrow either doesn't understand how fucked up things have been here for the last seven years, isn't intelligent enough to put together how having a knobhead for a president has affected them personally, or actually thinks his policies were good.
Oh, come on, fett. You're too intelligent to make absolutist statements like that. You're saying there is a 100% correlation between not feeling excitement for the inauguration and being a dumbass.
I think you're confusing the inauguration with the election. I was excited that Obama won the election (sort of - it seemed so inevitable towards the end that I couldn't get too worked up about it, but suffice it to say I was quite pleased). I am not excited for the inauguration. The election determines who will be the president; the inauguration is simply a ceremony where he officially takes office. It's not meaningless, but it also isn't the election. You're welcome to be excited about it; but suggesting that those of us who aren't (and yes, there's quite a lot of us) are somehow lesser human being isn't just rude, it's nonsensical, and I doubt your statement would hold up in a scientific study regardless of how you measured intelligence.
june gloom on 19/1/2009 at 22:44
fett forgot the fourth category: I honestly doubt Obama is really going to do all that much better. I'm adopting a "wait and see" attitude with Obama himself because while I don't agree with a great many things he's come up with, he's a smart man and does not laugh in the face of reality like the Bush administration. But Obama's not the problem. Congress is. They should all be fucking fired forever. Let's start with Nancy Pelosi, who is everything wrong with politics embodied in one sandy vagina.
In the face of 535 fucking morons what good can Obama do?
Aerothorn on 19/1/2009 at 22:46
Dude, there are a lot of good arguments against the credentials of Nancy Pelosi. Her vagina is not one of them. Dragging the fact that she's a female into an unrelated attack on her is just going to make it look like your attack is based in sexism, even if it's not. BAD debate tactic. Don't do it.
AR Master on 19/1/2009 at 22:52
but women cant politics because of their period :confused:
glslvrfan on 19/1/2009 at 23:00
You are absolutely out of your mind if you think Obama can do anything. Yes Bush is a complete fucking retard. but to think that anything will change over the next 4 years is absolutely rediculous. It wouldnt matter who, what, where, when and why, nothing, and I mean NOTHING will be better in the forseeable future.
Anyone wanna bet that within the next 4 years we are asked to loan our income tax refunds to the government?
june gloom on 19/1/2009 at 23:01
I'd say the same thing about Harry Reid. Sexism has no part in this.
littlek on 19/1/2009 at 23:12
I am in DC right now and will be attending the parade. I am actually going to be in the parade and hope one of the things he changes is getting this parade to go faster than the previous Inaugurals I have attended. Supposed to be cold tomorrow so I am not looking forward to standing outside for 8 hours waiting for it to start. Security is very tight and the atmosphere in DC is like a child waiting to unwrap a present. Everyone is partying.
fett on 19/1/2009 at 23:13
Why do I always get the top of the page when I'm paddling upstream with a fucking dixie straw?
Quote Posted by Aerothorn
Oh, come on, fett. You're too intelligent to make absolutist statements like that. Your saying there is a 100% correlation between not feeling excitement for the inauguration and being a dumbass.
Granted, but I'm not speaking so much about the inauguration ceremony as I am the fact that we're about to change administrations (I should have made that distinction, but I'm a bit worried that I would need to...) Surely even the most cynical can't help but feel a little bit of relief over that.
In response to everyone who believes he 'can't change anything' - are you saying there's no cause/effect relationship between Bush and Iraq, Bush and the Patriot Act, Bush and the economy, Bush and No Child Left Behind? If you don't see that connection (whether he spearheaded these things or not), then I guess you really don't believe that a president can affect change. I'm not trying to let congress off the hook either, because they've rolled over for him the entire time. On the other hand, Obama has already made strides toward inclusion and bi-partisanship unlike anything we've witnessed in recent history, and there's good reason to hope they'll follow his lead. Being that he's smarter than a mud fence, I don't see how he can do any worse than Bush.
