We do things different up here, you bet. - by Gingerbread Man
Gingerbread Man on 26/4/2006 at 20:28
So recently our esteemed Prime Minister -- the vaguely-voted-for Stephen Harper -- decreed that there will be no photos of the caskets coming back from Afghanistan. How surprising that he ape the Bush in such a way.
However, the front page of my paper this morning had a huge colour photo of a flag-draped casket being loaded into a waiting hearse, with the headline FORBIDDEN: THE PICTURE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SEE (Which, okay, is horribly gay in and of itself...)
And inside there are huge opinion columns that boil down to "WHAT THE FUCK? Don't tell US what we can and can't report on, you horrid little faggot."
My question, and god help you all if this turns into a Bush Hurrrr Americans Hurrrrr thread, is serious and simple:
Other than the recent (late and rather weak) Rebellion of the Talking Heads in American media, why do you think the press is so easily cowed at the moment? Forgetting for a moment the obvious Bush Administration factor -- the threats to remove access, the jingoistic talking-points, and the blatant condescending / arrogant / sometimes outright lying face they put behing various podiums -- what's going on inside the press as a whole?
Certainly at first they were as taken in / swept up as everyone else, and recently things have started to slip away from immediate endorsement of the Official Line Without Question or Hesitation, but come on. The press always seemed to be a hallowed institution in the USA, and all I can think is that various money interests have resulted in Infotainment and anchors / producers / editors who really aren't interested in reportage so much as ratings.
Which is understandable, but unforgivable if it's resulted in the mess we now see.
Aja on 26/4/2006 at 21:31
I'm not sure the press is as intimidated as you claim. CTV News here broadcast videos of the caskets (albiet from what looked like behind fences) for several minutes while they reported on the story. They also showed Harper announcing the media ban, followed by widespread booing.
And what paper are you reading that has headlines like that??
And hasn't American news always been sensational? One night I turned on CBC and their top story was regarding a particular new development between Isreal and Palestine. Flipped to Fox and the headline was "TASERS!".
I guess I didn't answer your question, but I probably couldn't anyway.
Gingerbread Man on 26/4/2006 at 21:33
Not OUR press, I'm talking about the American press. More specifically (because I don't really have experience of anything else) the major network news and the really big newspapers.
The sensationalism I understand. Ther's some major competition, and that always makes news outlets devolve into "who can have the most provocative / titllating content" -- you only have to turn on the radio to notice that.
I'm more talking about what is either a total unwillingness or inability to do any actual investigative journalism. Or at least, the fact that none of it seems to end up on front pages or news networks.
mintysmum on 26/4/2006 at 21:42
got any examples?
Dia on 26/4/2006 at 22:17
Quote Posted by Gingerbread Man
why do you think the press is so easily cowed at the moment? -- what's going on inside the press as a whole?
I don't know what's going on with the press in your country GBM, but here it's well known that the press is corporately owned (unless it's an independent publication). Ergo, they'll pretty much publish whatever the government wants them to since the gov't. is hand-in-glove with the corporations. Same with the news stations on TV & radio. I don't even bother watching/listening anymore since it always sounds like the newsperson is just reading from the latest edition anyhow. Except maybe NPR.
greg9001 on 26/4/2006 at 22:22
I would have to say that it's the unwillingness. Way back in the 60's, 70's and 80's when an investigative journalist would report on a story. People would sit on the front porch and talk about it. If story turned out to be wrong they would just let die and move on to some other story and people would forget about the old story and talk about the new one insead. But today with the internet they have no such luck.
Just ask Dan Rather. He used to do this all the time.
d0om on 26/4/2006 at 23:28
This makes me think of a BBC documentary recently about American veterans from Iraq matching around protesting about the atrocites the US army is commiting there.
While the BBC were filming an Al Jezera camera crew turned up and filmed as well.
The veterans said that no US media had taken the slightest interest in them or reported on them.
And the things they were saying happened in Iraq were pretty horrific; killing someone because they didn't like the look of them then dropping a shovel by their body so they could say they caught them digging an improvised road-side bomb.
greg9001 on 27/4/2006 at 00:37
Quote Posted by Dia
I don't know what's going on with the press in your country GBM, but here it's well known that the press is corporately owned (unless it's an independent publication). Ergo, they'll pretty much publish whatever the government wants them to since the gov't. is hand-in-glove with the corporations. Same with the news stations on TV & radio. I don't even bother watching/listening anymore since it always sounds like the newsperson is just reading from the latest edition anyhow. Except maybe NPR.
Dia I think your closes but wrong. It’s not the gov’t telling the media what to do because they want to be in control. It’s the media that lost control and is asking and lobbing the gov’t to it back. Just look at what the corporations want to do with the internet.
Agent Monkeysee on 27/4/2006 at 01:18
Quote Posted by Gingerbread Man
Not OUR press, I'm talking about the American press. More specifically (because I don't really have experience of anything else) the major network news and the really big newspapers.
I think it's a couple things in order of importance:
1) Media consolidation and subsequent corporatization
2) 24 hour news coverage
3) The abolishment of the Fairness Doctrine
4) The rise and acceptance of active public-relations participation in news media
Basically those all came together to create a system that rewards sensationalistic and apathetic journalism, though I'm not really smart enough to put all this together into a more coherent thesis.
Frikkinjerk on 27/4/2006 at 02:56
Actually, major corporations do underwrite alot of the news we get. Anyone here ever seen the movie 'Manufacturing Consent'? In it they show how respected newspapers like the New York Times edit stories to the point where they lose their original meaning and they do it because corporations have a vested interest in how certain stories affect the political and economic climate they operate in.
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