DDL on 2/7/2012 at 19:49
Quote Posted by dethtoll
I'm not... exactly talking about the little figurines?
Like I was looking for artwork of Adeptas Sororitas and it took me 15 minutes to find one without tits you could sail around the world with.
The fact you actually spent 15 minutes on that is worrying in itself.
"It's
research, mom!" :p
But like I said, models have to be recognizably female (hair and tits), subseqent concept art tends to mimic initial models, the cycle of exaggeration continues. Initial concept artwork is often more understated (unless you're looking at John Blanche concept art, coz he's crazy).
Plus, hey: it's armour. Inch thick armour plate adds a lot of volume.
Generally speaking, OTHER than the fact that they 'have tits', the adeptus sororitas get massive plus points on the "DDL arbitrary sex-pandering scale" for
actually wearing armour. Big, fucking chunky armour.
Which would you rather wear into a gunfight?
This
Inline Image:
http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/3/21/199878-Adeptus%20Sororitas,%20Artwork,%20Female,%20Sisters%20Of%20Battle.jpgor...say, this
Inline Image:
http://soulcalibur.neoseeker.com/w/i/soulcalibur/thumb/c/cb/Ivy.jpg/250px-Ivy.jpgObviously that's a comedy extreme, but I could've used, say..miranda/liara/samara from mass effect.
So there's that.
Faetal: I can't be arsed to muck around in pshop and upload something, but here's the typical terminator outline:
Inline Image:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/2/2b/Ultramarine_terminator.jpg/180px-Ultramarine_terminator.jpgAnd here's a generalised human outline
Inline Image:
http://www.jhamiltonlmt.com/images/Pain%20Area.jpgIt's the shoulder width vs the position of the head, really. Even if you assume a particularly bulky human, there's just not enough space between the face and the arms to fit into that armour.
henke on 2/7/2012 at 20:44
Just played a bit of the online coop with Jesh and some strangers. It's good fun, though voicechat doesn't seem to work and I'm not a huge fan of games that use Ranks. Luckily even the first few levels you unlock gave you some pretty sweet weapons tho, so it's no biggie.
Made it past the halfway mark in the SP.
june gloom on 2/7/2012 at 23:19
DDL, google "false equivalence" and come back
But even aside from that, look at that fucking armor. It's terrible. It's not armor. It's a fucking pair of tin bowls welded together. That's just asking for a crushed sternum. If you punched the "boob shape" out so it actually, you know, directed weapons AWAY from her chest, you could still tell the wearer was female.
You know what's worrying about spending 15 minutes finding a non-ridiculous picture of the Sisters of Battle? That it took me FIFTEEN FUCKING MINUTES.
also you may want to reconsider the whole "gigantic breasts are vital to determining a woman's anatomy" argument 'cuz it's not doing you any favours
faetal on 2/7/2012 at 23:33
I see what you mean. A human could just about fit in there, so long as you imagine that the armour is massive compared to the person inside. As in, 6 inches thick or similar. Either way, I think it is stylistic rather than practical. The face-in-mid-chest-framed-by-shoulders thing is probably just to make them look more aggressive, like someone with their head low, charging to battle, reminiscent of how a quadruped would appear (say, a bear) when charging towards you on all fours, just transposed to a biped to retain the human stature. I could be talking directly out of my glands here, but those are my off the cuff impressions.
june gloom on 2/7/2012 at 23:47
The real problem is that the miniatures are just that: miniatures. Of course they're going to be exaggerated -- and, honestly, I think they're poorly designed regardless of gender. They're ugly and ridiculous-looking. But ultimately it doesn't matter because the actual tabletop game isn't all-important anymore. What does matter is the parts of the franchise more accessible to the people who don't store their figurines in their beards: the fluff novels and the artwork and other stuff. I don't want to feel embarrassed showing 40k to female friends because female characters are consistently portrayed with tits the size of a nuclear missile.
I'm almost scared to see DDL's reply to that.
faetal on 3/7/2012 at 00:14
You have a real thing about beards I'm noticing.
june gloom on 3/7/2012 at 00:19
To be fair, the "figurines in the beard" thing was inspired by a story someone told me about how they'd gone to a GWS gathering to see if 40k was something they wanted to take up as a hobby, and was placed opposite this real winner that nobody wanted to be near who was moving from table to table and each time he moved, he'd scoop up his figurines and store them in his large beard -- some of them refusing to come out.
faetal on 3/7/2012 at 00:31
Jesus. I remember I briefly owned a 2000 point tyranid epic army when I was about 16. I really quite enjoyed the painting and the whole mythology behind the tyranids, but then they killed off epic and I realised that I had no taste for 40k.
I'd probably scream like a small girl if a kickstarter ever came up that proposed to make a TBS based on epic which included tyranids.
PigLick on 3/7/2012 at 01:14
The thing about beards is very true, and we arent talking about ironic hipster beards either, full on throwback to the 70's rpg beardmen.
We are grown men playing with toy soldiers, but at least we look fucking MANLY.
