Video of what happens when you dont use a turn signal when going to the hospital... - by 37637598
fett on 4/2/2008 at 17:36
The ambulance comment was just another part of the cop's mis-diagnosis. Is he qualified to tell someone when they do or do not need an ambulance? He has no knowledge of the injury, therefore he can't possibly ascertain its severity. The problem is that people who are healthy don't usually understand that there a one hundred shades of grey between the black and white of 'emergency' and 'non-emergency.'
I think that's one thing that pissed me off so much about the cop's attitude. I don't look like I'm sick, but I have a terminal heart disease that makes it difficult for me to walk distances (like in parking lots and arenas), climb stairs, etc. Consequently, I get dirty looks when I park in a handicapped spot, or take the elevator when everyone else is using the stairs. I'm judged based on the fact that I look normal when in fact, I'm a very very sick.
Once, I climbed a fence to my kid's ball field instead of using the main entrance, because it was closer to the parking lot and I wouldn't have to walk as far. The rent-a-cop informed me that if I was healthy enough to climb a fence, I was healthy enough to go around the long way. Absolutely not true -my condition allows for a variety of things that most heart patients can't do, but prohibits me from things most heart patients are encouraged to do (exercise, etc.)
The point is that only a doctor needs to assess those things, and the rest of us, including cops, who know fuck all about medicine should give someone the benefit of the doubt when they claim to be sick or injured. There's plenty of time to call bullshit after the doctor makes a decision.
Unless you've got some kind of point to prove, like this prick did.
heretic on 4/2/2008 at 17:57
Quote Posted by fett
The woman may very well have been trying to get out of a ticket, but it's both idiotic and dangerous for the cop to assume that is the case when he's been told that someone is injured - once it's established (BY A FUCKING DOCTOR, NOT THE COP) that the man is ok, or at least has been admitted, then he could have easily ticketed the driver. She wasn't going anywhere or trying to escape the scene.
I don't know - either you've never been scared that a loved one might die if
YOU don't hurry up, or you've never been legitimately harassed by a tough-guy wannabe cop and don't recognize one when you see him. Because that's what's going on with this prick.
I've allready stated that in an actual emergency I would do the same, as would most right thinking individuals. I certainly understand your position.
Further, I agree with your view of the principle at hand, I just don't think it applies to this situation. Where we differ is that I think that that the cop acted rationally given the situation, many of you obviously don't.
I assure you, this would look quite differant if you knew how police
operate.
har har This shit happens all of the time, and this clip was only remarkable because the cop got a cane broke over his head. The fact that the pursuit ended in a hospital parking lot did not make it a real emergency, nor did the fact that the guy had a cane.
It might interest you to know that the "headed to the ER" excuse is second only to the "I gotta hit the head before I shit my pants!" one. In the end, all
we have to go by are the videos in this case, which is why I didn't speak in absolutes. We all pick sides from here, right or wrong. If you think that cop acted like a bully than you will feel the same about every cop in a confronatation. These guys are taught to take control for their own safety.
The reason most of them are cross trained for emergency response or even EMT certified is that they deal with medical shit all of the time. It is not practical to expect or demand an MD tagalong. Obviously, in the end, I'm going with my gut, just like you guys.
Now I demand you to neal beside me and gobble cop hog.
SubJeff on 4/2/2008 at 19:35
The clip has been circulated because of the cane assault. This doesn't change the fact that the cop is irrational. There is no safety issue here - the woman is tiny, the cop is armed. How does forcing her to show her license and registration make the situation less dangerous? He should have allowed her to get on with things, but of course been aware that there is always the threat of violence. Of course the police are more likely to be assaulted (by criminals thinking oh shi I'm going to get caught for something else!).
It's not that I don't recognise the possible danger here, or the fact that she could be faking to escape, but the nature of medical conditions is that you never, ever assume anything without proper assessment or reliable information.
fett - if you don't mind me asking - what exactly is it you have?
heretic on 4/2/2008 at 19:38
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
The clip has been circulated because of the cane assault. This doesn't change the fact that the cop is irrational. There is no safety issue here - the woman is tiny, the cop is armed.
This does little to explain how the cop ended up with a cane broken over his head. It just goes to show you, there is
always a safety issue.
The Alchemist on 4/2/2008 at 19:51
Quote Posted by heretic1dg
This does little to explain how the cop ended up with a cane broken over his head. It just goes to show you, there is
always a safety issue.
Oh no sweety, that's called karma.
heretic on 4/2/2008 at 19:53
ahaha touche...
SubJeff on 4/2/2008 at 19:58
???
The cop ended up with a cane in the head because he was being an ass. If he hadn't would that have happened? Unlikely. You're really grasping.
heretic on 4/2/2008 at 20:01
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
???
The cop ended up with a cane in the head because he was being an ass. If he hadn't would that have happened? Unlikely. You're really grasping.
No, actually I'm not grasping at all. If a cop is a pushover he is
more likely to get hurt, not less. That's why policy is what it is. Policy which this officer appears to have followed to the hilt.
SubJeff on 4/2/2008 at 20:15
I don't think that being compassionate and sensible in the face of a potential medical situation you are not qualified to comment on is being a pushover.
heretic on 4/2/2008 at 20:25
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
I don't think that being compassionate and sensible in the face of a potential medical situation you are not qualified to comment on is being a pushover.
That's quite clear. What you think really has no bearing on the situation though. I'm not concerned with credentials, but if you are: How are you qualified to judge how a cop acts in the line of duty?
Did you ever once consider that the female complying with the officer's demands in the first place would have led to the guy getting to the ER as quickly as possible?
It was in fact her refusal to comply that led to the whole mess and delay in question. Cops can not think or act like us, that would be a detriment to their carreers and lives.
