Namdrol on 16/4/2010 at 07:11
Absolutely true. I know from personal experience an example of the Catholic Church covering up for one of its own
My mum was a school teacher, was all her working life.
5 - 11 year olds, a primary school teacher. She was head of infants for most of when we were growing up but ended up deputy head.
She taught at a very traditional Catholic school, nominally within and funded by the local authority but wholly run by the Church.
At the school was a male teacher who systematically and constantly abused the children he taught.
He had done so at his previous school, got found out but it was then hushed up by the diocese and they moved him to my mums school where he spent over 2 decades playing with young boys cocks before being caught again. He died of a heart attack a few weeks before the trial.
This whole situation tore apart the school and the parish in which it was based.
(Due to this and a few other things my mum has shifted in her beliefs from being a staunch Catholic to an agnostic. Every cloud has a silver lining)
I am not saying at all that because I know of one case the whole church is guilty, but...
I think we forget that not covering up this sort of behaviour is a very recent thing and the Church being such a monolithic behemoth didn't really notice the passing of the seasons.
massimilianogoi on 16/4/2010 at 07:23
Goddammit! But how it's possible all this depravity?? Lately it seems that pedophilia is turned into a trend...
And there's persons who has the courage to condemn homosexuality or bestiality... Tell them to strike pedophilia before!!
Namdrol on 16/4/2010 at 07:27
This is not lately. This came out 20 yrs ago and had been happening for over 30 years.
massimilianogoi on 16/4/2010 at 07:47
Dammit, and why it's coming out all just now?
anyway: please remove that offensive tag: "vatican c*****" (not in the vatican's interest, of course...)
Beleg Cúthalion on 16/4/2010 at 08:36
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What does that (oddly specific) claim have to do with the catholic church being accused of harboring and possibly institutionalizing the rape of children? This isn't some divorcee crying foul at trial, this is an international uproar over the church failing to protect its most vulnerable from people willing to abuse the word of God to their own ends. Nearly all the evidence from inside and outside the church is pointing towards them not only failing to stop this, but actively protecting members of the church who are accused of child rape rather then investigating it.
I thought it should be clear, and I haven't questioned the crimes themselves at all if you have noticed.
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Bold by me. Are you trying to imply that the people making these accusations are disingenuous? Do you think people who are part of an anti-homosexual religion are admitting to being molested by male priests to get some kind of reward out of it? I welcome you to find the people suing the catholic church for damages (if there are any) and compare it to the number of accusers. Unless the church is giving out secret hush money, then there would be NO monetary or personal benefit to falsifying accusations of child rape against prominent members of the catholic church.
Fortunately I'm not involved in the actual trials, but I bet my right arm that a great part of them are making accusations based on events not (reasonably) meeting the definition of child abuse or brute force (whatever it's called in English). What's the benefit? Of course you can sue for pain and suffering money, ever heard of it? I believe it's not a German curiosity, and besides that getting one's own back on someone you didn't like might be another aspect. So there is indeed a (monetary) benefit IMHO.
Oh yes, and this "anti-homosexual religion" is just another example of picking out the bad things in order to form an opinion. Heck, there are even organisations here promoting homosexuality alongside with church. I don't take responsibility for what they do in the US or in traditionally patriarchic regions like southern Europe or America, in any way I want everyone to make the distinction between what people do and what their behaviour is based on (social structures, tradition, level of education etc.) and what the actual religion is suggesting. And I've yet to come over a passage of the Bible generally discrimminating against homosexuals.
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No, the people who are trying to say that the conspiracy is with the accusers and not the church are the ones who need to start investing in tinfoil.
This was about a way of arguing, not of ignoring facts. The thing is, you can hardly defend the church against the over-simplifiying or downright irrational hatred without being looked at as a criminal or someomne supporting the huggermugger. The church itself cannot disclaim those things because it would only be considered less believable. It practically cannot act unless giving in to the mob. That's why I mentioned the moon parallel, I've seen some German scientist pointing out why any proof for the actual moon landing wouldn't satisfy the disbelievers; they would always assume that the evidence on the moon was brought there afterwards, that the NASA was giving wrong information etc. etc.
Oh, and this one is for massimiliano: Yo man, what the hell, dammit!!!
massimilianogoi on 16/4/2010 at 08:46
Beleg: I'm not a niggah (what Beleg means?? O_o) Anyway, answer me to the thread on the editor's guild, your program is doing shit here.
Beleg Cúthalion on 16/4/2010 at 08:48
Hold your tongue, boy. That's not my program but if you're overstrained by thanking me for providing a download mirror you should probably take a break and buy a book of good manners.
massimilianogoi on 16/4/2010 at 08:54
What?? It's me that I have to learn good manners?
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Oh, and this one is for massimiliano: Yo man, what the hell, dammit!!!
However, thanks for having advised and shared a non-working program!
Vasquez on 16/4/2010 at 09:00
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That's why I mentioned the moon parallel, I've seen some German scientist pointing out why any proof for the actual moon landing wouldn't satisfy the disbelievers; they would always assume that the evidence on the moon was brought there afterwards, that the NASA was giving wrong information etc. etc.
You overlook the minor detail that people did land on the Moon. There has been child molesting going on by priests and it has been hushed, it's not just some anti-religion loonies weaving up a conspiracy from nothing. So those two don't compare.
Some people don't like the idea of a religion trying to run whole countries - be it Catholic church or Islam - deal with it. And of course this sort of thing is like the church was handing them bags full of ammo.
