SD on 15/3/2006 at 12:02
Quote Posted by Jonesy
What happened on Sept 11th was a fatally flawed building, a poor governmental oversight of who gets on planes, and 19 dedicated hijackers willing to sacrifice their lives in order to kill some Americans.
What's your opinion on the fact that at least nine out of the 19 alleged hijackers that were named (including the supposed ringleader Mohammed Atta) have turned up alive and well since the 9/11 attacks?
jprobs on 15/3/2006 at 12:25
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
What's your opinion on the fact that at least nine out of the 19 alleged hijackers that were named (including the supposed ringleader Mohammed Atta) have turned up alive and well since the 9/11 attacks?
You stated this is "FACT" what is
your proof these 19 are alive? And don't point to a conspiritorialist website....
Hmmm... HAARP, UN Black Helicoptors, FEMA Black helicoptors, FEMA Concentration camps, CIA Killed Kennedy, Armstrong never set foot on the moon, blah blah blah............ Those of you arguing that the US Government was somehow involved in 9/11 were the same fools who buried dried beans in your back yard because Bill Gates forgot to add '19' to the dates on his software.
PS.. The WTC was not "Fatally Flawed", I doubt there are too many buildings designed to take a square hit from one of the largest boeing planes completely topped off with fuel.
hopper on 15/3/2006 at 12:57
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
What's your opinion on the
alleged fact that at least nine out of the 19 hijackers that were named (including the supposed ringleader Mohammed Atta) have turned up alive and well since the 9/11 attacks?
Fixed.
Rogue Keeper on 15/3/2006 at 13:00
Fools are only those who refuse to even consider unanswered questions and facts which do not fit their closed inner universe in which everything makes persect sense - only to them. No matter whether they are government believers or conspiracy theorists.
Convict on 15/3/2006 at 13:01
Yes, I'd certainly be interested in hearing about some of the alleged hijackers being alive.
BEAR on 15/3/2006 at 13:04
Quote Posted by Jonesy
Epos: They didn't do that because it failed the first time. Plus the amount of explosive that was used in the first bomb in 1993 was large enough to take up most of a Ryder van, about 1300 lbs of explosive in all. They probably didn't want to have the same ineffectual result.
The reason why the bomb didn't do much besides muck up the parking garage was due to the fact that the bomb wasn't placed inside the perimeter wall. If it had been, it might have collapsed the building, but since it wasn't, the majority of the energy struck the outside wall and didn't get any penetration.
The difference between this event and 9/11 is that on this one, you have an unsuccessful penetration of a building by a 600kg car bomb placed about 40 yards from the perimeter wall, and you have two successful penetrations by two jet airliners who takeoff weight at
empty was 164,800 lb, and which also carried 23,980 gal or 90,780 L of fuel.
So, if I'm reading some people's posts correctly, they're saying that several packs of c4 would be enough to take down this building, yet jets with a kinetic force hundreds of times greater wouldn't be enough? You're talking about planes hitting with seven times the kinetic force that the 707 impact was taken into the original building design.
Take off the tinfoil hats for a second and look at the video. No other building has had to survive a fire
fueled by jet fuel in addition to the initial impact of said jet, so it's quite easy to say "Oh, it was the result of the US Government, cause that's the only way this could have happened! Them and their missiles, I tell ya!"
The reason they fell was simple. Buildings are not meant to be rammed with airliners. We don't design for that. If we did, then we'd be working in windowless boxes. What happened on Sept 11th was a fatally flawed building, a poor governmental oversight of who gets on planes, and 19 dedicated hijackers willing to sacrifice their lives in order to kill some Americans. All those factors combined to create a disaster that nobody could have forseen.
End rant. Back to lurking.
Did you read what they said about the jet fuel? That it could burn max at 2000 degrees and that the steel was rated for hours of burning at well above that? I dont know if there were bombs in the building, that just seems like too much coordination to me, but its somthing to think about.
The problem is while I half want to believe this story, I also would find it incredible that they could keep it a secret. I mean, there are ALOT of people in government that would talk, they always talk. They couldnt keep their wiretaps secret for any time, and yet there were VERY few people who know that was going on. But then again, if someone came out who would they tell? Would the major media even give it any thought, or would they be afraid to air anything about it? Who knows I say, but its definatly some weird shit.
Printer's Devil on 15/3/2006 at 14:03
The whole thing might have been more effective if the producers had spent more time defining the dots and less effort connecting them. The rather circumstantial evidence and incomplete media record was never questioned beyond the angle of conspiracy. The "forensic" examination of the various disaster scenes was pretty poor too--not a single scientist or engineer was specifically interviewed on camera. Why is that? Did the NSA threaten to turn them into cat food if they talked?
Aerothorn on 15/3/2006 at 15:48
Quote Posted by Shayde
Aaah but ARE people still talking about it? Do you have documentaries about it on your tv? Does your news report on the anniversary of the '94 elections on the 27th of April every year? Or the anniversary of the sharpville massacre perhaps?
on an unrelated note you should all go see Tsotsi, it won S.A. an oscar and is superb.
While I dunno about TV (I don't watch it) I can tell you I've spent many many hours of my life listening to people talk about Apartheid over the last few years, considering my school has the Hands for a Bridge South-African exchange program.
Though they more go on about how apartheid is still around - if not economically, legally. They went to a white school this year - apparently, it's build like a fortress. Bleh.
