Paz on 17/3/2006 at 16:54
Regarding the radar stuff; the standard "incompetence ---> better keep it quiet then" seems to apply quite satisfactorily. Or, if you're feeling more charitable, NO-ONE REALLY EXPECTED THIS SCENARIO.
In the same way the US military don't like to talk about their SON OF STAR WARS project too much, because it currently seems to be utterly shit.
Things I'd still like explained if anyone has a good debunking site:
Magic phone calls (I figure these actually happened, I just want to know how). Le Internet seems to switch between dudes going "ho ho, no way could mobiles work in that situation" and dudes going "lol yes they could". Each with no actual backup whatsoever.
Amazing coincidental appearance of a handy passport (I feel this could have been the authorities 'helping the investigation along' - hardly a conspiracy, but a bit dodgy)
SD on 17/3/2006 at 17:09
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Things I'd still like explained if anyone has a good debunking site:
Along the lines of the handy passport, I'd also point out that the discovery, in Mohammed Atta's rental car, of a HOW TO FLY PLANES video, seems just a teensy weensy bit convenient. But also decidedly odd, since he was a qualified pilot before he even arrived in the US. I guess I'd like that explained.
I guess I'd also like it explained why, if Atta was genuinely a Muslim fundamentalist, did he date a stripper, use cocaine and alcohol on a regular basis and eat pork.
steo on 17/3/2006 at 17:37
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I'm personally not passing judgement on this. Frankly, does it really matter if the hi-jacked plane was shot down? They wouldn't have gotten out of it alive. I can't think of another sensible option.
My point is that if the plane was shot down, why are they claiming that it wasn't? Perhaps because it would draw more attention to why the other planes were not shot down.
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It boggles the mind how people can't imagine why a skyscraper that was struck by a goddamn 767 fully loaded with fuel would collapse.
In no way am I doubting the possibility of a building collapsing from being hit by a 767. All I am saying is that if the hottest fires were burning at around 1800 F and steel melts at 2750 F how is it that molten steel was found? Sure the steel would have been severely weakened and the building may have collapsed but the steel could not have actually melted.
Also, the timing coinciding with the multiple training exercises leaving the US severely underdefended seem somewhat suspicious as does the lack of any action from the warnings and the case of the put options.
I think that just about proves it.
Defcon on 17/3/2006 at 17:44
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Oh come on. "They were designed to look outside not in." Is that the best you can do? Get out. You are seriously telling me that the world's most advanced military has radar that cannot see airplanes that are flying within the country if the transponders are turned off? Hahahaha. Not
quite as advanced as we may have been led to think.
Very well then.
Four civilian aircraft suddenly turn off their transponders. Now, once they know what they're looking for, they have to search through countless blips trying to find the four specific aircraft.
Oh, and fighter aircraft are also required to ID since radar isn't a magical tool that allows the operators to instantly tell what the blip they're looking at is.
dvrabel on 17/3/2006 at 17:47
Maybe there was no molten steel? The only mention that I can find of steel melting in the collapse of the WTC is by various conspiracy theorists.
steo on 17/3/2006 at 17:49
A plane can't get far enough to be completely out of sight of its last known location in ten minutes. After locating and recieving no response from the aircraft the fighters could threaten to shoot it down and follow through if no response was still given.
Defcon on 17/3/2006 at 18:03
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A plane can't get far enough to be completely out of sight of its last known location in ten minutes. After locating and recieving no response from the aircraft the fighters could threaten to shoot it down and follow through if no response was still given.
Assuming the military was informed as soon as the airplanes turned off their transponders, how long would it taken to have scrambled fighters for interception? How many fighters were available for such a task and where were they located?
dvrabel on 17/3/2006 at 18:29
Thanks, that illustrated my point nicely.
Edit: Hint for the slow: 800 Celsius is a lot less than the melting point of steel.
