Pyrian on 16/3/2006 at 01:38
The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they stick by meaningless assertions that have been thoroughly debunked. If somebody comes up with 1,000 "proofs" that 0=1, and I knock out 500 of them, am I really expected to have faith that the remaining 500 I haven't bothered to research have any validity?
These people just collect a long series of bullshit claims and attempt to gather a holistic force out of sheer mass. But when no individual claim holds up to scrutiny, well, and especially when highly specific and verifiable claims are easily shown to be blatantly false (a la the really stupid theory that the steel couldn't melt, or the claim that there was no "exit wound" when debris from the aircraft landed on the street beyond), well, it quickly becomes obvious that regardless of what may or may not have actually happened on that day, these particular conspiracy theorists are willfully and deliberately full of shit.
Printer's Devil on 16/3/2006 at 01:56
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I MUST FLEE TO MY MASSIVE SWASTIKA-SHAPED ZEPPELIN
Is it true that you can order a
Hindenburger And Fries in the dining lounge on those things?
Ko0K on 16/3/2006 at 02:00
Personally I see the video only as an attempt to influence the audience. IMHO I didn't see too much objectivity in the video, so I didn't really take the "evidence" too seriously. I didn't see any harm in discussing it, though.
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If somebody comes up with 1,000 "proofs" that 0=1, and I knock out 500 of them, am I really expected to have faith that the remaining 500 I haven't bothered to research have any validity?
Everybody knows that zero is not equal to one, with absolute certainty. In this case, I don't think it's that simple, but I do understand your point.
jprobs on 16/3/2006 at 02:16
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Everybody knows that zero is not equal to one, with absolute certainty. In this case, I don't think it's that simple, but I do understand your point.
0 may not be equal to 1... but 2=1, and here is my concrete proof:
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http://www.jimloy.com/algebra/two.htm) http://www.jimloy.com/algebra/two.htm
Defcon on 16/3/2006 at 02:54
Steel is a metal.
What happens when metal heats up?
It expands.
Oh, yes, IIRC at about 1000 degrees Farenheit steel loses about
half of its' strength. Chew on that for a moment.
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Hmmm, can someone riddle me this: Why would office buildings with structures light and flexible enough to sway with the wind simply swallowed two oversized jets (no exit wounds), yet the "plane" that hit the P-gon was able to penetrate 3 building rings of fortified, military headquarters? and left behind virtually no plane parts,to boot. there appears to be room for questions in this mess after all.
Hmm. What happens when a hollow aluminum tube filled with an explosive liquid smashes into the side of a reinforced concrete building that has been designed to withstand such an attack?
Epos Nix on 16/3/2006 at 02:55
I've no concrete opinion on any of this but at the same time I never underestimate the lengths power-hungry people will go to so they might gain more power.
While we may not have enough evidence here to prove that the government were or weren't behind this, do we really have enough proof, even as of this day, that a group of muslim terrorists were? If the people who supposedly hijacked that plane are popping up all over the world alive and well and that Osama video was clearly bogus, how can we be sure the resulting conflict with Afghanistan was justified or not?
Personally I'm not worried so much about who was behind the events on that day as I'm worried about the implications those events set in motion. We've already seen two countries stomped flat by the US, how much more is going to have to be done to satiate their "war on terrorism"?
JACKofTrades on 16/3/2006 at 03:23
Quote Posted by Defcon
Steel is a metal.
What happens when metal heats up?
It expands.
Oh, yes, IIRC at about 1000 degrees Farenheit steel loses about
half of its' strength. Chew on that for a moment.
Hmm. What happens when a hollow aluminum tube filled with an explosive liquid smashes into the side of a reinforced concrete building that has been designed to withstand such an attack?
Quoted for truth.
What was the story on the buildings utilities? A building that size would have a multi-megawatt feed. If it wasn't cut off remotely early on you'd have a lot more energy pouring in than you could get from a few thousand gallons of kerosene.
Tocky on 16/3/2006 at 03:31
What we have are records of who boarded the planes, video of them boarding, eyewitness accounts from passengers who ultimately died on the planes, records of the hijackers recieving flight training, inflight recordings, the transponders being turned off to make the planes invisable to radar-
what is the point. You have all proved yourselves complete idiots. By all means continue. It's funny in a very sad sort of way.
I will say this, Osama picked the right people to attack. What other people in response to being attacked would turn on themselves? They have to be laughing thier asses off at what ignorant jackasses we are to believe such shit. If we are this stupid then maybe we desreve destruction.
Ko0K on 16/3/2006 at 03:32
In the end, I don't believe that our government is capable of doing something like that to its own people.
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I will say this, Osama picked the right people to attack. What other people in response to being attacked would turn on themselves? They have to be laughing thier asses off at what ignorant jackasses we are to believe such shit. If we are this stupid then maybe we desreve destruction.
You have your opinions, but keep in mind that people don't just gobble up everything that's said in a gaming discussion board. :)
