RippedPhreak on 15/8/2024 at 18:00
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Project 2025 is an authoritarian policy playbook to take over the federal government and enact a radical, far-right agenda that strips Americans of their rights and their ability to have a say in government or gain a foothold in the nation's middle class. The plan consolidates power in the presidency by gutting the civil service; overruling the long-standing independence of government agencies; weaponizing the Department of Justice; and abolishing government agencies, such as the Department of Education, that support the public interest.
A lot of this sounds like fear-propaganda language to me.
gutting the civil service: Firing some do-nothing government employees sounds fine to me, but it's more likely to be done via just letting people retire and not replacing them.
overruling the long-standing independence of government agencies: Agencies like the FBI, CIA, EPA have become a law unto themselves. Their job is supposed to be to carry out the President's orders. Reining them in is long overdue.
weaponizing the Department of Justice: It looks like they what they are talking about is using DoJ to go after local officials who don't enforce abortion laws? I don't agree with that and I doubt Trump does either. It would be a huge federal overreach. My view is: abortion is a state-by-state matter, so if anyone has any issues either way, talk to your governor and state legislature.
abolishing government agencies, such as the Department of Education: Department of Education has already comprehensively failed, so there's no point letting it continue.
No time to dig any deeper right now.
Starker on 15/8/2024 at 18:17
Hard to believe this video about Lord Dampnut reacting to Harris is from 4 years ago...
[video=youtube;sbtspwdrLqE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbtspwdrLqE[/video]
Nicker on 15/8/2024 at 18:30
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A lot of this sounds like fear-propaganda language to me.
Sounds like someone who has only read the P-2025 cream-puff talking points, to me.
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Firing some do-nothing government employees sounds fine to me,
P-2025 proposes to eliminate pretty much ALL professional service providers of the government and replace them with Imperial Appointees... I mean Presidential appointees.
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Agencies like the FBI, CIA, EPA have become a law unto themselves.
Oh really? Do tell. In detail.
You don't need to make DJT the King to manage such departments.
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It looks like they what they are talking about is using DoJ to go after local officials who don't enforce abortion laws? I don't agree with that and I doubt Trump does either.
If he disagrees it's only because he will be too busy going after women themselves...
[video=youtube;6n-SgCndBWE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n-SgCndBWE[/video]
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Department of Education has already comprehensively failed, so there's no point letting it continue.
The existence of MAGAts is the best evidence to support this assertion. It's still just an opinion, unless you have data.
In my opinion, the cure is more and better public education, not less. And school lunches. Because what sort of monster would punish children for the struggles of their parents?
Hey! Now there are TWO opinions where only one existed previously.
RippedPhreak on 15/8/2024 at 19:55
To use the EPA as an example: An agency like the EPA must never be an independent lawmaking body. Because people don't get to vote on who staffs and leads the EPA. People DO get to vote on who is president, thus the EPA's duty should be to simply carry out the president's policies. Because the people indicated their views via their votes. If the EPA will not follow Trump's orders they need to be fired or the whole agency must be dissolved.
I guarantee you Trump himself could not give 2 shits about abortion either way. I'm sure there are a few ultra-Christians in Congress who would love to ban it nationwide, but they'll never have the votes. The people in each state can now decide how it will be handled in their state.
As for Dept of Education: USA's education is garbage NOW, under the DoE. So getting rid of the DoE can hardly make things worse. Again, educational policies will be decided by each state and they will now be able to tailor their programs as they wish.
Nicker on 15/8/2024 at 20:33
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An agency like the EPA must never be an independent lawmaking body.
Non-argument argument. The EPA is NOT a legislative body and nobody is suggesting it should be made into one nor can it be made into a legislative body. It is a regulator and develops regulations based on the laws made by Congress and under Executive Orders of the President. What you are demanding already exists.
Regulatory agencies are standard and necessary features of all normal elected governments. Government 101 - LAWS > Regulations > policies.
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I guarantee you Trump himself could not give 2 shits about abortion either way.
So you ignored the video clip of DJT demanding PUNISHMENT FOR WOMEN who have abortions? He clearly supports banning abortions. Derp.
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USA's education is garbage NOW, under the DoE.
There you go again, citing your opinion as fact. - Is it garbage? Compared to what, religious home-schooling? Private schools for those who can afford them? That does dovetail nicely into P-2025's push to loosen child labour laws, so we won't have all those starving waifs cluttering up the streets. Off to the mines with you, kiddos!
Could public education be better? Sure. Is it better than the Trumpian "I love the poorly educated" plan? Absolutely... IMHO.
RippedPhreak on 15/8/2024 at 20:58
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It is a regulator and develops regulations based on the laws made by Congress and under Executive Orders of the President.
If you think the EPA is
already well-reined-in, then why are you here complaining that Project 2025 plans to rein it in? In any case you are wrong. In 1984, the courts decided in the "Chevron" case: That judges should defer to federal agencies in interpreting ambiguous parts of statutes. The idea was that if Congress passes a law where something is unclear - or there is a “gap” - it is up to an agency to fill in the gap. So in cases where Congress did not explicitly make everything clear, the agencies got to make up their own regulations and rules.
This has led to an absurd spiderweb of proliferating rules that have dragged down the economy like crazy. The Supreme Court recently struck down the Chevron ruling, but the agencies must be made to understand that they are lackeys and nothing more. Not a 4th branch of government that continually does as it pleases regardless of how many presidents come and go.
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So you ignored the video clip of DJT demanding PUNISHMENT FOR WOMEN who have abortions?
What I remember is that some news guy asked him a hypothetical question: If abortion
was against the law, should a woman be legally charged for getting an abortion? Logically the answer is yes. But it doesn't automatically follow that he thinks it
should be made against the law. In any case, even if Trump was a secret hardline evangelical Baptist or something, he would never have the votes to ban it as I said earlier.
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There you go again, citing your opinion as fact. - Is it garbage? Compared to what
Are you actually singing the praises of US public education then? No, it's crap according to statistics. Getting worse over time. Throwing more funding at it isn't the solution. You're committing the error of thinking that if the federal government isn't doing it as a one-size-fits-all centralized plan, that no one can or will do it. If the DoE disappears tomorrow, US schools will not disappear. They will just be free to educate their students as they (and the local parents) see fit, rather than having to strictly follow Washington DC's rules and curriculum.
heywood on 15/8/2024 at 22:08
The EPA was formed by act of Congress and its purpose, responsibilities, and regulatory powers are spelled out in law. It is not up to the President to decide what the EPA is for and what powers it should have, and EPA staff aren't obligated to follow unlawful orders. The President is chief executive, not chief lawmaker.
The EPA is not out of control, it's doing what Congress authorized it to do, and that's increasing the cost of doing business, which means business executives and their investors don't make as much money, so they use their Republican pols to make the public think the regulators are communist boogeymen. I don't want to go back to the days of Love Canal, heavy metals, burning rivers, acid rain, and smog but these guys will do it for a buck.
While I agree that US public education has apparently declined, I don't think eliminating the Department of Education helps improve it. The department is needed to facilitate sharing of information, standards, best practices, and results among the states. And to coordinate multi-state and national activities and initiatives. The problem isn't the existence of the department, the problem is that the current department leadership sticks close to the AFT and protects the status quo. And the previous department only cared about privatization.
Starker on 16/8/2024 at 03:06
Getting a lot of "the Republicans would never overturn Roe v Wade" vibes here. Yes, they absolutely are pushing for a nationwide ban. Yes they absolutely are for restricting contraception. They are hedging their language on the media, because they know how deeply unpopular their policies are, but when it comes to legislation, they are all in:
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/22/fact-sheet-house-republicans-endorse-a-national-abortion-ban-with-zero-exceptions-in-latest-budget/)
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/05/legal-right-contraception-senate-vote)
Heck, they only recently (as in last month) moderated their language on a nationwide abortion plan in their party platform over significant opposition from within the party: (
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9r3nz67v9lo)
As for replacing civil servants with party loyalists, this obviously makes the government more corrupt and less accountable. When the primary qualification for a government worker is how well they obey one person at the top and cater to their whims, then this is a ripe recipe for corruption, breaking rules, and sheer incompetence. We saw how many of the previous hires flailed and stumbled in Lord Dampnut's administration while the craftier ones like Bill Barr quickly perverted the institutions they were in charge of to their own ends.
Like, why is Project 2025 training their people to keep secrecy and not write anything down? Why shouldn't US citizens be allowed to have insight into how their government works? What is it that they are planning that isn't able to stand up to scrutiny?
Nicker on 16/8/2024 at 06:47
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What I remember is that some news guy asked him a hypothetical question:
Well you remembered WRONG.
Trump is either too stupid to have an opinion on a national abortion or he is too much of a coward to share it. Everyone around him wants one... What do you think he will do is he is president? Don't waste too many of your braincells parsing that one, OK. There's worse tRumpian shit coming...
tRump says says awarding his billionaire donors the Presidential medal Of Freedom because they are alive and healthy, not shot up or dead.
[video=youtube;uZZnebOv030]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZZnebOv030[/video]
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"But civilian version, it’s actually much better because everyone [who] gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they’re dead," Trump concluded. “She gets it, and she’s a healthy, beautiful woman, and they’re rated equal, but she got the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and she got it for — and that’s through committees and everything else.”
And just in case anyone is too lazy or duplicitous to watch this travesty, at 1:15, after delivering his disgusting insult, the MAGAts cheered and hooted.
OK Phreak. Start making excuses.
