Nicker on 6/10/2024 at 15:53
Guess who started a scam charity drive to profit from the misery of Hurricane Helene?
[video=youtube;_pPB9J-qVi4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pPB9J-qVi4[/video]
I guess it wasn't enough for the orange turd to block critical roads with secret service motorcades and press-op barricades.
DuatDweller on 7/10/2024 at 09:25
Playlist
"The Horrible people" Marylin Trump
"Trumping dead men's wives" Marylin Trump
"Taking funds from people's good intentions" Marylin Trump
Cipheron on 8/10/2024 at 08:59
Quote Posted by mxleader
Funding may have been cut but there is yet to be any evidence that the cut was linked to the pandemic. One can speculate all day long and point fingers but once a virus spreads there isn't much you can do to stop it when there's no vaccine available. Trump can be blamed for his anti-vaccine stance though and all that goes along with that. He had a powerful opportunity to silence the foolish conspiracy groups and really slow the pandemic down but he loves the excitement that comes with stirring the pot.
He literally could have been the biggest hero of the pandemic but chose to be a stupid grandstanding show off. I don't know if he can tell the difference between the harsh reality of the presidency and the lack of reality of his role on the former reality TV show The Apprentice. Everything is a game to him. He could have been a huge hero with massive popularity if he would have listened to reason, kept his bullshit to himself and followed the teleprompter. He did, and is still doing, a lot of damage to the GOP.
One thing I'm curious this time around is if those people who were on the fence with voting republican last time, and probably threw away their vote, will do the same thing or rally around Trump because of the attempts on his life. I'm willing to bet that during his presidency and the following years he hasn't learned a damn thing other than what it's like to be shot at.
Which is why I said 50%. Keep in mind that the USA had the highest deaths per million people of any advanced industrialized nation, and more than double the death rate of Canada.
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
And that ties into what I was saying about how Trump pitched his re-election chances on pretending Covid wasn't a thing, or that it wasn't serious, or that there some quick fixes so you shouldn't worry. He tried to business as usual his election chances so there wouldn't be any lockdowns or economic slowdown at all, so he could get elected the way he'd hoped to win it - on the stock market.
USA - deaths per million 3,642
Canada - deaths per million 1,538
Slowing the spread even a little would have had a big impact on the final death rate because you're lowering the r-value of the epidemic.
heywood on 8/10/2024 at 11:00
The Trump administration had no control and only limited influence over the behavior of the public. Each state made up its own COVID response. Some followed the recommendations of Trump's COVID task force (Fauci et al), but most did not. Policies were loosely enforced in most places. The body count is on the American people for behaving the way we do. It's a price we paid for enjoying a lot of liberty and putting politics and/or religion over common sense.
Nicker on 8/10/2024 at 12:50
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The Trump administration had no control and only limited influence over the behavior of the public.
Well that's total bullshit. What ever mad scheme dribbled out of tRump's mouth was gleefully adopted by MAGAts and echoed by Rethug governors. Ivermectin, drinking bleach, partying down in large groups, not wearing masks, NOT GETTING VACCINATED.
Gaslighting. Not a good look.
Also, let's remember that tRump completely dismantled the federal response plan, already in place for just such emergencies. All he need to do was activate it but because a black man had touched it, he had to destroy it.
mxleader on 8/10/2024 at 13:17
Any sitting president's words have great power over the people that voted them into office, especially ones that are slightly delusional regardless of party affiliation. You could argue all day long as to whether or not Trump incited the craziness at the White House during the last election, but the truth is when he outright told his supporters to go home they did. If he had any class at all, and really wanted to prove to Americans that the political system functions well he would've thanked them for their support and said things to keep things orderly and calm. What he did do was nothing when they started to riot at the capitol. He's a poor sport and stood there watching his supporters throw themselves under the bus because they were acting out the very thing they are afraid of: a stolen election. Trump is a childish and manipulative leader who uses people then watches them all take the blame when things don't go right. He's a con man. He's a twelve year old boy in an adult skin. I do have to give him credit though because in the end he's no different than most politicians, he just didn't use his inside voice like the others do.
Starker on 8/10/2024 at 21:44
The way I see it, the crazy was already there. It was there during the Tea Party, it was hidden in plain sight after 9/11 because everyone went crazy, it was there during the 90s in the form of wing nuts fuelled by conservative talk radio.
And you might be able to steer the crazy in directions they are already inclined to go in, but it's another thing entirely to get them to behave normal. Lord Dampnut was booed at his own rallies when he tried suggesting people might take the vaccine.
heywood on 8/10/2024 at 21:49
Quote Posted by Nicker
Well that's total bullshit. What ever mad scheme dribbled out of tRump's mouth was gleefully adopted by MAGAts and echoed by Rethug governors. Ivermectin, drinking bleach, partying down in large groups, not wearing masks, NOT GETTING VACCINATED.
Gaslighting. Not a good look.
Also, let's remember that tRump completely dismantled the federal response plan, already in place for just such emergencies. All he need to do was activate it but because a black man had touched it, he had to destroy it.
Let's not remember something that's false.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9760677/) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9760677/
The folks objecting to COVID control policies were objecting right from the beginning in March 2020, when Trump was still on script following his advisors. When the White House was advising lockdowns, people were having COVID parties, gathering for worship, holding unofficial sports practices for their kids, etc. Some Republican-controlled states just blew them off and didn't enact any of the recommendations.
RippedPhreak on 8/10/2024 at 22:25
Let's not forget how the folks in blue cities gathered all day and night to riot, smash and burn stuff in the summer of 2020. Not much concern about Covid then.
Starker on 8/10/2024 at 22:38
Ok, let's look into it, then. Oh, look at that -- Black Lives Matter protests did not significantly raise COVID infection rates:
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https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article/43/2/225/5992372)
If anything, I'd bet that the police rioting in the streets contributed more to the increase than the protests did.
