RippedPhreak on 14/9/2024 at 13:35
Harris's one "strength" if you can call it that is that a lot of Dem voters don't care who the puppet figurehead is, as long as they believe "someone" behind the scenes has a firm hand on the tiller. Maybe it's the bureaucratic employees, maybe it's the cabinet appointees, maybe they think Obama is still running things. I assume this is why nobody cared that Biden was a gibbering vegetable. They are voting for an overall liberal vision and worldview, not a specific person.
But this only works if things are going well. Your message can't be "Don't worry, this election will merely swap out the office furniture. The same competent team behind the scenes will still be there making things right, just as they have for the past four years" when the country is collapsing into ruin.
mxleader on 14/9/2024 at 14:14
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
Harris's one "strength" if you can call it that is that a lot of Dem voters don't care who the puppet figurehead is, as long as they believe "someone" behind the scenes has a firm hand on the tiller. Maybe it's the bureaucratic employees, maybe it's the cabinet appointees, maybe they think Obama is still running things. I assume this is why nobody cared that Biden was a gibbering vegetable. They are voting for an overall liberal vision and worldview, not a specific person.
But this only works if things are going well. Your message can't be "Don't worry, this election will merely swap out the office furniture. The same competent team behind the scenes will still be there making things right, just as they have for the past four years" when the country is collapsing into ruin.
The only thing wrong with your second statement is that there is an assumption that there is a competent team behind the Biden administration.
Biden literally did nothing noteworthy during his term as president. Former vice presidents serving a term as president afterwards rarely amount to nothing more than attempting to carry the torch forward in a half-hearted way. Bush senior, a former vice president, might have led the nation during Desert Storm but I can't think of anything else he did that was noteworthy during his presidential term that I can remember. Al Gore, I suppose, invented the Internet so I guess that's noteworthy :joke:. Biden skipped a term to rest up to do nothing more than walk around the White House lawn with his caretaker while wearing out of style aviator sunglasses. One of the most important things for America is healthcare and Biden did nothing to try to fix the mess that Obama created (Punishing people financially for not having healthcare does not make healthcare affordable). So I wouldn't expect much from Harris other than an unconstitutional attempt to confiscate guns. She'll do nothing but talk in circles, enrich her stock portfolio and write a boring book afterward. Liberals will rejoice with the same sadistic fervor that Trump supporters did when he was elected because there is no concern for what a president could or will do during their term. The only thing going through voter's minds these days is either my team one or my team lost and that it won't matter to them after the hangover is gone because baseball season is right around the corner....
Harris doesn't have to do anything right, or anything at all, to secure the vote for most women. There will likely be conservative women voting for Harris as well literally for sexist reasons. My ex-wife literally couldn't tell me how the president actually gets elected but is super excited to see a woman as president regardless of party affiliation.
For this election cycle I don't think that it matters much if Trump or Harris is elected because neither are a good choice. One will make gun owners and major corporations happy and the other will make anit-gun nuts and major corporations happy. I think the people should focus more on who is controlling the house and the senate during this election cycle if you want to see any difference made even though so many of them are in the pockets of corporations themselves.
Starker on 14/9/2024 at 21:03
A president can't just "fix health care". You need legislation to do that. When Democrats have been in power and held both houses, they have focused on things like health care and infrastructure over fierce Republican opposition. When Republicans have been in power, they give themselves and their buddies a fat tax cut and run up the deficit with other stupid things like endless wars on taxpayer money. At least when Democrats spend the money on infrastructure, people other than the defence industry get something out of that.
I did not expect much from Brandon, but he did a lot more than I ever expected. He pulled out of Afghanistan finally. He lowered prescription drug prices. He got more than 40 million people some form of student debt relief. He cracked down on junk fees and overdraft charges. He signed the most massive infrastructure bill US has seen in a long while. He sold massive amounts of oil from the National reserve when the price was at its peak and then bought it back when the price tanked. He got railway workers their rest days. Before the start of the Ukraine war, he released US intelligence that severely undermined Russian propaganda efforts and got crucial aid for Ukraine to help defend their country. And that's not to mention all the mopping up he had to do after the mess Lord Dampnut left him with the botched pandemic response and whatnot. And finally, when push came to shove, he gave up power and stepped aside, something that's incredibly rare for a politician to do. I would never ever go as far as saying that I respect a politician, but this is one rare act that I will give full credit to. Especially in this world we have today where people run over democratic institutions and norms to increase their power and try to cling to it by any means possible.
Nicker on 15/9/2024 at 04:41
Quote Posted by nickie
I expect dema can correct me but my understanding is that New York State law defines rape as solely involving a penis. E. Jean Carroll was unable to say whether Trump used his penis or a finger so the jury couldn't say it was rape. As you say, Judge Kaplan made it very clear that it was a rape and the State has subsequently updated the definition of rape.
This is what I said: "The allegation was sexual assault but
the JUDGE called it rape. That didn't affect the judgement but it signalled what actually happened, in the opinion of the court."
This is one confirmation of the above. (
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll
And now, back to tRump's racist lies about Haitians eating pets, which are(
https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-haitians-springfield-ohio-lies-danger-rcna171036) causing direct harm to the legal, immigrant population of Springfield and endangering all citizens there.
And yet tRump and Vance have doubled down on the lies, amplifying and spreading them. Trump is disgusting and anyone here defending him, making excuses for him or pretending to be "objective" about him is disgusting as well.
tRump is a convicted criminal, released on pre-sentencing conditions. Now he is threatening lives. Time to lock the shit-bag up, for public safety.
Starker on 15/9/2024 at 05:31
The anti-immigrant people don't really care about whether immigration is legal or illegal. It's just a code word meant to vilify the immigrants.
heywood on 15/9/2024 at 11:30
Plead all you want Nicker, but what are the actual chances of Trump going to jail? Approaching zero I'd say. Assuming he loses the election, I fully expect him to be offered and to take a plea deal where he avoids jail time. The prosecutors aren't going to want this in front of a hostile SCOTUS majority. And if it does look like he's going to face significant jail time, I expect he will receive multiple offers of refuge and flee.
heywood on 15/9/2024 at 14:56
Quote Posted by mxleader
You do make some valid points, but when a country gets to the point where it is imports are greater than it's exports you will have more money leaving than coming in. Also, if you take away good paying labor jobs from those in your country, and ship them overseas, that contributes to money leaving the country instead of circulating within the economy. The only benefit to exporting labor is to increase stockholder dividends and executive pay and bonuses.
Very few companies actually suffer failures because they are unionized. There are some cases where unionized workers demand higher pay and benefits from a company that's not capable of giving them what they want. Hostess was one of those but they failed because the general population in the US has changed it's overall diet choices to either healthier options, or upgraded their tastebuds from American cafe food to gastropub grub. It's easy though to reference Ford paying its workers more because so that they could afford to buy Fords but that's not the case for companies producing random widgets or even Boeing aircraft. Maybe Boeing employees travel more when they have more money, but I don't know if that supports their own industry or not.
One of the other problems is when a countries raw resources start to dwindle or in some cases there are plenty of resources but extraction costs are higher than what it would cost to import the same materials a manufacturer would rather import the material. That of course hurts mining companies but helps transportation companies. You could shift workers but that's not easy to do.
This problem certainly isn't unique to the US though as many industrialized countries have shipped manufacturing jobs overseas in order to save a buck, and once that snowball starts rolling an avalanche soon follows. Sometimes the cost increases aren't entirely related to labor costs either and have a lot to do with environmental regulations. Coal mining might be adversely affected in a country based on environmental regulations and/or diminishing resources.
As far as immigration is concerned small amounts in any country generally helps boost economies, but massive amounts left unchecked can upturn economies very quickly to the point where it's difficult to adjust. The US as a melting pot shouldn't be overly concerned with migration and those concerns are usually related to labor competition disguised as criminal intent of immigrants that citizens claim when they feel threatened. In countries where resources and space is more limited like the UK unchecked immigration is probably more problematic economically and culturally than in places like the US. One could make the argument that entire cultures are being displaced by too high of a flow of immigrants in too short of a time period and that it is pushed on the people politically. This is where countries that have huge numbers of refugees should retain them as much as possible as cruel as that may seem. In some cases you could argue that there is politically motivated colonization happening in many countries and it's okay for more heavily melanated people to rage over past colonization but the lighter melanated people are being forced to suck it up or be labeled racists.
The most basic issue though I think is boiled down to population vs. resources in most countries and corporations and garbage politicians that exploit them both. If the livable land mass in any country could easily be expanded and they had unending resources there wouldn't be much of a reason to compete for anything. So maybe the most obvious, but also the most difficult to change, problem is the exponential increase in populations in nearly every country on Earth.
I forgot to reply to this earlier. I wanted to point out that a trade deficit doesn't mean more money is leaving than coming in. Payments for goods and services is only one kind of money flow. Our trade deficit is offset, almost dollar for dollar, by a surplus of foreign investment into the US. We give them dollars for stuff and they use it to invest in us, buying stock in US companies, US Treasury bills and notes, municipal bonds, real estate, etc. So we run a deficit in current accounts and a matching surplus in capital and financial accounts. This balance of payments means there is no net loss of jobs in the overall economy due to the trade deficit.
Also, the reason why we have a trade deficit has nothing to do with politicians selling us out. It is an outcome of using the USD as the world's primary reserve currency, predicted by Robert Triffin back in 1959. Other nations that trade in USD or service debts in USD need to hold dollars in their accounts and hold assets that are easily converted to dollars. Those assets are various debt instruments issued within the US. The worldwide demand for US debt creates a net investment surplus into the US, allowing us to borrow cheaply and buy more than we produce. That's why there's a trade deficit. If this seems hard to believe, think about why the rest of the world would keep sending us more stuff than we send them if they weren't getting anything in return?
Because the trade deficit is a result of using the USD as a reserve currency, the size of the trade deficit is linked to the strength of the USD against other currencies. When the dollar is high, the trade deficit tends to grow and when the dollar is low it shrinks. The reason should be obvious based on the above. It doesn't matter who is in office.
Quote Posted by mxleader
The only thing wrong with your second statement is that there is an assumption that there is a competent team behind the Biden administration.
Biden literally did nothing noteworthy during his term as president. Former vice presidents serving a term as president afterwards rarely amount to nothing more than attempting to carry the torch forward in a half-hearted way. Bush senior, a former vice president, might have led the nation during Desert Storm but I can't think of anything else he did that was noteworthy during his presidential term that I can remember. Al Gore, I suppose, invented the Internet so I guess that's noteworthy :joke:. Biden skipped a term to rest up to do nothing more than walk around the White House lawn with his caretaker while wearing out of style aviator sunglasses. One of the most important things for America is healthcare and Biden did nothing to try to fix the mess that Obama created (Punishing people financially for not having healthcare does not make healthcare affordable). So I wouldn't expect much from Harris other than an unconstitutional attempt to confiscate guns. She'll do nothing but talk in circles, enrich her stock portfolio and write a boring book afterward. Liberals will rejoice with the same sadistic fervor that Trump supporters did when he was elected because there is no concern for what a president could or will do during their term. The only thing going through voter's minds these days is either my team one or my team lost and that it won't matter to them after the hangover is gone because baseball season is right around the corner....
Harris doesn't have to do anything right, or anything at all, to secure the vote for most women. There will likely be conservative women voting for Harris as well literally for sexist reasons. My ex-wife literally couldn't tell me how the president actually gets elected but is super excited to see a woman as president regardless of party affiliation.
For this election cycle I don't think that it matters much if Trump or Harris is elected because neither are a good choice. One will make gun owners and major corporations happy and the other will make anit-gun nuts and major corporations happy. I think the people should focus more on who is controlling the house and the senate during this election cycle if you want to see any difference made even though so many of them are in the pockets of corporations themselves.
GHWB got us out of the Cold War and the S&L crisis. Not bad if you ask me.
I credit Biden mainly for getting infrastructure and Medicare negotiation finally passed and repairing relations with our allies. I think he has a (surprisingly) good foreign policy team, I like his AG, and I love his FTC chair. I think most of his cabinet is competent except for Mayorkas and Cardona, who are total zeros.
Vae on 16/9/2024 at 00:01
*** BREAKING NEWS ***
*** TRUMP SAFE AFTER SECOND ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT ***
[video=youtube;SNP_1vDng88]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNP_1vDng88[/video]
Details: (
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-is-safe-following-gunshots-his-vicinity-says-campaign-2024-09-15/) https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-is-safe-following-gunshots-his-vicinity-says-campaign-2024-09-15/
Once again, as predicted...
Quote Posted by Vae
As predicted...
The transnational oligarchy has attempted to take Trump's life, which is of course their only recourse after the lawfare has failed.
This attempt to kill the next president will result in strengthening the resolute standing of the Cold Civil War that we've been in for a number of years.
If given the opportunity, they will attempt to kill him again.
demagogue on 16/9/2024 at 00:28
Why would the transnational oligarchy care about some histrionic loser who barely got a 2.0 GPA at business school? Surely they'd find more threatening a person who could form a complete sentence and doesn't slur his words, constantly sniff from his adderall use, or depend on Russian money laundering loans to even stay solvent?
Vae on 16/9/2024 at 00:59
This event will aggravate the cognitive dissonance for many, due to the increased tension between illusion and reality...which is expressed in the form of dismissive, distorted characterizations, as a coping mechanism.
However, a time will come where this will no longer be sustainable.
Once again, If given the opportunity, they will make a third attempt upon Trump's life.
And as I've stated many times, Trump will be president or he will be dead...there is no other future result.