demagogue on 12/9/2024 at 19:44
The whole irony is that the magat blind rage and fear at illegal immigration and the border blinds them to the things that have made it a crisis to begin with, with the failure to actually pass a stronger border deal last year the big centerpiece, but in lots of little ways too that have contributed to it being a crisis, like ignoring regional security policy, not taking steps to disempower cartels, gangs, trafficking & the drug problem in the US, or not combating political and economic instability in the region, etc. And some of it, like the bad bounce back from the pandemic, are things that nobody can help but we have to respond to.
But I'd question that Democrats are ignoring or belittling the illegal immigration problem. Everybody in the country knows it's the central issue for the right and center, and they've been paying obsessive attention to it by force. I know every one of Democrat campaign ads in Texas are all and only about being tough on the border.
The problem is we're talking about low information voters that by definition won't even recognize that Democrats are focusing obsessively on the border.
Nicker on 12/9/2024 at 20:27
And when the Democrats compromised to please the GOP with a bi-partisan border bill, far more draconian than most liberals would find acceptable, we all know who demanded it be ditched in favour of his own political future. tRump. The same asshole who whished for a stock-market crash and a great depression just so he can escape well deserved jail time.
RippedPhreak on 13/9/2024 at 00:41
Everyone knows that when Democrats talk tough on the border, they are lying. At least, any smart person knows.
Vae on 13/9/2024 at 04:00
Now even the cats are turning racist!...:grr:
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXT97_JWgAAstiC?format=jpg&name=mediumI guess they've finally had enough of being finger-licking-good to the new arrivals!...:ebil:
Sorry kitties!...Like in Haiti, the time has come where we must de-center pet privilege...:sly:
DuatDweller on 13/9/2024 at 05:54
Oh the ducking and the cat hissing.
nickie on 13/9/2024 at 09:42
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The allegation was sexual assault but the JUDGE called it rape. That didn't affect the judgement but it signalled what actually happened, in the opinion of the court.
I expect dema can correct me but my understanding is that New York State law defines rape as solely involving a penis. E. Jean Carroll was unable to say whether Trump used his penis or a finger so the jury couldn't say it was rape. As you say, Judge Kaplan made it very clear that it was a rape and the State has subsequently updated the definition of rape.
Starker on 13/9/2024 at 13:51
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
Everyone knows that when Democrats talk tough on the border, they are lying. At least, any smart person knows.
Democrats are the only ones who can be pressured to do anything about it and they have been quite willing to sign a bill to deal with the issue, giving the Republicans a whole lot of the things that they ostensibly have wanted. Republicans blocked the bill. I wonder why? Maybe, just maybe it's because Republicans have no incentive to try to fix anything, because they want to keep it as an issue and because it benefits business.
heywood on 13/9/2024 at 14:02
Hi demagogue. I don't know how Democrats approach the issue in Texas, but here in the Northeast the prevailing attitude I hear from left leaning media and talking around the fire is indifferent and somewhat dismissive. My state just held primaries for Congress and governor on Tuesday, and in the Democratic races the candidates wouldn't talk about immigration.
I live close to Massachusetts, on the outskirts of the Boston media market, so I pay attention to what's going on there. MA has eight sanctuary cities and is the only state in the country to have a right to shelter law. Just a couple of years ago, most of the state was all-in on welcoming and resettling refugees. But the state's extensive system of shelters and temporary housing units ran out of capacity last year. So they've been using hotels, military barracks, and setting up temporary shelters where they can. But there's not enough for everyone. With so many migrants stuck in temporary housing, the state has been unable to find places for residents, and homelessness started surging this year as a result. In June, the Democratic governor literally declared "we're full", reminding me of a Aussie bumper sticker. She went to Washington begging for supplemental funding, and sent state workers to the southern border to spread the word that Massachusetts has no housing or services. The state had to change the shelter law to enact a length of stay limit, but still can't keep up. Meanwhile, there are a lot of voices in the left leaning Boston media and the state's Congressional delegation that still talk like it's all just xenophobic Republican hysteria. That's a problem.
I think most major cities are population stressed at this point because there just isn't any more housing, and those cities are the Democratic strongholds. It's not going to break the Democratic party in MA because the state is so blue. But in swing states, Democrats rely on urban turnout and can't afford a backlash against Biden administration immigration policies like I'm starting hear around parts of Boston.
demagogue on 13/9/2024 at 15:16
What matters anyway is the opinion of swing voters in battleground states, and I'd want to see the data on that. I don't want to presume anything, but anyway that's where the focus should be.
But I can imagine how Dem ads & rhetoric will differ between red and blue states.
Texas is more purple than people realize, but still the Democrat candidates don't really announce their party and talk about going after "both parties", and the border is the main focus, but I'm ready to believe it's somewhat special to Texas, which has half of the entire Mexico border by itself, something like 1200 miles. What's really interesting to me is the swell of Latino support for Trump in Texas that's keeping it red (which I can also vouch for anecdotally; the Latino friends I have are the most rabid pro-Trump), presumably 2nd+ generation having a backlash against newer immigrants, but that's a whole other story.
Quote Posted by nickie
I expect dema can correct me but my understanding is that New York State law defines rape as solely involving a penis.
I haven't looked into it in a while, but I think that's right. It's a similar reason Clinton quibbled that he "did not have sexual relations" with Monica Lewinsky. We work more on Japan law; only just last year we got the law amended so that legal rape includes the insertion of objects. But anyway, I think all jurisdictions always have that same issue and pressure to widen the definition over time.
heywood on 13/9/2024 at 16:23
Latino support for Trump doesn't surprise me at all. Machismo is big part of Latin American culture, and Latinos tend to be more religiously conservative than the overall population.
