Cipheron on 2/9/2024 at 17:22
Well this is a conundrum:
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https://apnews.com/article/north-carolina-kennedy-ballot-elections-board-d59aeb239392e4c6800df89e01f666ed)
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RFK Jr. can't get off ballot in North Carolina, can't get back on it in New York
RFK Jr trying to be a pro-Trump spoiler but he really messed up. He's fighting simultaneous court battles to get removed from the ballot in some states, added to the ballot in others. A man of many contradictions, literally.
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North Carolina's elections board refused to take him off that state's ballot, with a majority saying it was too late in the process for him to withdraw. Meanwhile, an appeals court in New York rejected Kennedy's request to get back on the ballot there, upholding a judge's decision to disqualify him for having lied on elections paperwork about where he lived.
Pyrian on 2/9/2024 at 17:40
What's the logic of wanting to run in New York but not in North Carolina?
Nicker on 2/9/2024 at 18:18
Logic? There's the problem. There's no making sense of RFK's actions. He's just one more desperate, former never-trumper, begging for water from a poisoned well.
Meanwhile, at the moment he should be hoping that people forget that he tried to violently overthrow the government of the USA, tRump is hosting a J6 Gala to celebrate his botched coup. And if anyone thinks a cent of that money is going anywhere other than his own legal defense, he has some new digital trading cards to sell them.
Starker on 2/9/2024 at 22:45
No, there is logic in where RFK jr wants to run and where he doesn't. Basically, anywhere he can hurt Lord Dampnut, he needs to get off the ballot and anywhere else he wants to be on the ticket. Something to do with wanting to run again next time.
Nicker on 3/9/2024 at 06:29
How low can MAGA go?
Do you really want to know?
How about the National Federation of Republican Assemblies (NFRA), citing the 1857 SCOTUS decision on Dredd Scott, to argue that Kamala Harris is ineligible to serve as President because she is not a natural born citizen of the USA.
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The Dred Scott v. Sandford decision, delivered by the US Supreme Court in 1857, is one of the most infamous rulings in American history. The case involved Dred Scott, an enslaved African American man who sued for his freedom on the grounds that he had lived in free territories where slavery was prohibited.
Scott argued that his residence in these territories, where slavery was outlawed, made him a free man. However, the US Supreme Court ruled against Scott, holding that African Americans, whether free or enslaved, were not US citizens and therefore had no right to sue in federal court.
As I understand the NFRA argument, Harris can't be President because she is black and no black person can be an American Citizen.
[video=youtube;tXSgmz_wksg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXSgmz_wksg&t=15s[/video]
heywood on 3/9/2024 at 10:55
They also challenged Vivek Ramaswamy and Nikki Haley. Their argument isn't based on slavery or race. It's an anti-immigrant position. This is what their platform says:
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“An originalist and strict constructionist understanding of the Constitution in the Scalia and Thomas tradition, as well as precedent-setting U.S. Supreme Court cases ... have found that a ‘Natural Born Citizen' is defined as a person born on American soil of parents who are both citizens of the United States at the time of the child's birth,”
The accepted definition of natural born citizen is a person who acquired their citizenship at birth, not a naturalized citizen, i.e. not an immigrant. The NFRA is arguing we should narrow that to exclude citizens born to non-US parents on US territory who acquired citizenship by place of birth rather than parentage. The Fourteenth Amendment was passed to override Dred Scott, and it created birthright citizenship. A lot of people want to end birthright citizenship because it encourages anchor babies. They point out that Harris, Haley, and Ramaswamy wouldn't even be citizens under European law.
Nicker on 3/9/2024 at 11:36
Originalistly, women were not even people, so they could also go with that, I suppose.
demagogue on 3/9/2024 at 18:52
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https://www.quora.com/Which-US-presidents-had-foreign-born-parents) Eight presidents had a foreign-born immigrant parent, including Trump, and at least one, Andrew Jackson, had both parents born abroad, in Ireland. The first seven presidents were born before 1776, so didn't have parents that were US citizens for the obvious reason it wasn't a country yet. I don't think that theory can go far.
heywood on 3/9/2024 at 22:37
That's not the criteria they're suggesting. They are not objecting to children with foreign-born immigrant parents, they object to granting birthright citizenship to children born to non-citizen parents. When Harris, Haley, and Ramaswamy were born, neither of their parents were citizens.
demagogue on 3/9/2024 at 22:41
I doubt Andrew Jackson's parents were citizens. They had only been in the US for less than 2 years when he was born.
