bikerdude on 10/2/2015 at 10:45
Quote Posted by henke
The center fans sound useful tho. My current computer does get pretty loud when it's at the height of it's performance. I guess more fans and better airflow would alleviate that. Hmm.
Rather bigger slower spinning fans, mean the same or more airflow and a lot less noise. So if you dont upgrade the case, just list all the fans in the current case and thier sizes and we can look at replacing them.
henke on 10/2/2015 at 17:29
Oh God, that sounds like
work. I'd rather just shell out the 50 bucks for a new case rather than get into that. But let's put the case on the backburner for now. I'm looking at CPUs and having a hard time making sense of this all. Seems it's not like the olden days when you could just look at the MHz/GHz and figure out which one is better by what's got the bigger number at the end. Just how much better is this (
http://www.multitronic.fi/showprod.php?prod_id=BX80633I74820K&p=1) Core i7 than this (
http://www.multitronic.fi/showprod.php?prod_id=BX80646I54570&p=1) Core i5? Let's say I get the GTX 960, would a difference between the i5 and i7 be noticable at all? I'd like to be able to play new games at high settings, at at least a steady 30fps.
bikerdude on 10/2/2015 at 19:56
* A bit extreme as fans are a piece of piss to replace, but fair enough. Might as well get a new case as the PC will be pretty much brand new.
* That i7 versus i5 - (
http://ark.intel.com/compare/75043,77781) -
Pros:[*=1]Its has 10MB cache compared to the i5's 6MB,
[*=1]The i7 is 300Mhz faster
[*=1]Its has an unlocked multiplier, so better for overclocking
[*=1]The i7 supports faster ram, 1866 versus the i5's 1600 and has double the memory bandwidth.
[*=1]The i7 support hyper-threading, so 4 real cores, plus 4 fake ones, giving 8 core like performance.
Cons:* It uses more power than the i5, 130W versus 84W.
* The i5 has a built GPU (HD 4600) which is good for converting video files and uses far less power than a GTX960 even on idle.
* The i7 costs $100 more than the i5
* In gaming, your maybe going to see 10-15% difference.
The best way to buy a CPU is to set a budget and then try and get the best bang for buck, the above might not be the BBFB untill we have a look.
Regarding gaming on the GTX960 you could use it with your existing CPU/Mobo, but it would slow it down. A newer CPU/Mobo will allow the 960 to run as fast as it can, and even an i5 will allow you to run most of the very latest games on medium to high @1920*1080 atleast 50-60+fps (and some game it will be much higher).
henke on 11/2/2015 at 07:39
Thanks bikerdude, that makes things much clearer.
Quote Posted by bikerdude
* The i5 has a built GPU (HD 4600) which is good for converting video files and uses far less power than a GTX960 even on idle.
I like the sound of this, as I do quite a bit of video encoding. I've never done any overclocking, and don't reckon I'm about to start now. Kinda leaning towards the i5. I'm also thinking that I'm getting so much new stuff I might just as well get a whole new computer, and try to sell the old one, rather than be stuck with a bunch of spare parts. Multitronic has these Build-it-yourself packages, take a look at (
http://www.multitronic.fi/package_configurator.php?id=35&setlang=en) this and tell me what you think.
Case: CORSAIR Carbide Series 200R - has front and rear fans installed. My computer is quite close to the desk so I feel like front and rear fans would be more effective than side ones?
CPU: Intel i5 4570 3.2 Ghz 4Core HD Graphics 4600 - unless you think one of the others would be a significant improvement at a reasonable cost.
GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 960 GAMING 2GB
RAM: 16 isn't that much more expensive. Would it do much good tho? I also work quite a bit with Unity, video editing software and 3d modeling software besides gaming.
SSD: 240GB Kingston HyperX 3K - seems to have quite similar stats to the Samsung we discussed earlier. Is it as good?
HDD: 1TB 7200RPM Western Digital Black
Mobo: I have no idea which one would be best here.
Power supply: not sure how much I'd actually need.
OS: Windows 8.1 64bit UK
bikerdude on 11/2/2015 at 12:58
Quote Posted by henke
* Take a look at (
http://www.multitronic.fi/package_configurator.php?id=35&setlang=en) this and tell me what you think.
* Case: CORSAIR Carbide Series 200R - has front and rear fans installed. My computer is quite close to the desk so I feel like front and rear fans would be more effective than side ones?
* CPU: Intel i5 4570 3.2 Ghz 4Core HD Graphics 4600 - unless you think one of the others would be a significant improvement at a reasonable cost.
* GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 960 GAMING 2GB
* RAM: 16 isn't that much more expensive. Would it do much good tho? I also work quite a bit with Unity, video editing software and 3d modeling software besides gaming.
* SSD: 240GB Kingston HyperX 3K - seems to have quite similar stats to the Samsung we discussed earlier. Is it as good?
* HDD: 1TB 7200RPM Western Digital Black
* Mobo: I have no idea which one would be best here.
* Power supply: not sure how much I'd actually need.
* OS: Windows 8.1 64bit UK
* I don't know why they bothered doing this, the list of components is far to restrictive and in a lot of cases expensive. Better to specify all your own parts directly from their website.
* €23 more than the Chieftec case for the same look and function. The only minor issue with the cheftec, is you have to buy a fan for the side vent which is a peice of piss.
* If your budget is tight you could get the Core-i5 4460, as its €15 cheaper and essentially the same, just slightly slower.
* The MSI card only has a 2 year warranty, so for an extra €10-20 I would get either the (
http://www.multitronic.fi/showprod.php?prod_id=90YV07N0-M0NA00&b=1) Asus or the (
http://www.multitronic.fi/showprod.php?prod_id=GV-N960WF2OC-2GD&b=1) Gigabyte. The Gigabyte is the better choice as it has a 3 year warranty, is genuine 2-slot card (slimmer) and has IMHO better build quality compared to the Asus or the Msi.
* Your only gonna need 16Gb if you doing photoshop projects or game editing (Like I do when working on Darkmod missions), you maybe better off getting 2x4GB of fast & low timing (
http://www.multitronic.fi/showprod.php?prod_id=F3-1866C9D-8GAB&b=1) DDR3-
1866 ram.
* This drive uses a Sandforce controller and historically that controller isn't known for being reliable (and a quick search showed some of the K-hypoerX failing), better of getting a Samsung 840 evo 256GB.
* Good drive, fast and low reported failure rates.
* The MSI/Gigabyte/Asus boards are the best because they have 3 year warranties and all come with the latest intel Z97 chipset. The (
http://www.multitronic.fi/showprod.php?prod_id=Z97+GUARD-PRO&b=1) MSi Z97-GP is the winner here as it has cleaner layout, cheaper than the others, sata ports point sidewways (cable wont interferer with any cards then) and comes with the much talked about M.2 SATA slot (faster than normal SATA3 SSD, wait for Samsung to release thier monster M.2 cards in the future).
* Hmm this is a bit of a quandary, because the PSU is a very good one and powerful but now probably out of warranty?. IMHO I would keep this as a backup PSU (Like I have done), get a cheap (
http://www.multitronic.fi/showprod.php?prod_id=GPA-500B8&b=1) 500-600W PSU for the old PC and nice (
http://www.multitronic.fi/showprod.php?prod_id=ERV850EWT-G&b=1) 850W unit for the new PC. The 850 Enermax unit is a Single 12v line, gold+ (87%+ efficiency), with a 5 year warranty.
* Fine, but better if you can find a cheap s/h copy of Windows 7 on ebay etc (and then get the free upgrade to Windows 10 in June)
faetal on 12/2/2015 at 09:11
Commencing envy in 3...2...
Seriously though, that build is looking TASTAY.
bikerdude on 12/2/2015 at 11:42
Nice! and bone up on how to install and setup win7/8 onto an SSD correctly.
Quote Posted by henke
The i7 just doesn't sound like
that great value tho. Only like 10-15% difference for another 100 bucks?
Only if the money isn't an issue and if you can justify the reason for the purchase. So one said reason is in addition to gaming I will be doing lots of design/coding on my PC and the extra 4 virtual cores, extra cache and clock speed bump would help in that regard....
henke on 12/2/2015 at 12:44
Hmm, guess it would help with my impending career as a renowned indie game developer. Hmmmm... ¬_¬
bikerdude on 12/2/2015 at 13:50
Quote Posted by henke
Hmm, guess it
would help with my impending career as a renowned indie game developer.
Well if your gonna get the i7 you might as well get 16Gb of that Kingston DDR3-1660 kit, for the extra $30-50.
For example, the extra ram allows me to run Darkradiant and TDM at the same time for prolonged periods of time without maxing out my physical ram. But I digress, you can do with an i5/8GB - I did for a few years.
