Stitch on 4/10/2006 at 22:28
Quote Posted by Scots_Taffer
Okay, yeah, I only read a fifth and feel free to dismiss my opinion as uninformed but you certainly can't label it ignorant as it was quite clearly transparent as to what the author was trying to achieves
How would you know?
I don't think the book was fantastic, but you never even made it out of the introduction, essentially. Which is fine, but to call the book terrible when it's clearly not just makes you sound reactionary and silly and it bothers me when friends of mine sound reactionary and silly.
Also: d0om, is that a formal candidate submission?
Rug Burn Junky on 4/10/2006 at 22:32
Quote Posted by Stitch
it bothers me when friends of mine sound reactionary and silly.
Except me, because he's long since gotten used to me sounding reactionary and silly. ;)
d0om on 5/10/2006 at 01:15
Yes, add it as a formal submission. Its definatly a good book to discuss. I won't vote for it as I have read it and would be cheating etc, but its instantly jumped to my most moving book I have read as well as everyone I know who has read it.
Aja on 5/10/2006 at 02:24
Quote Posted by Scots_Taffer
if that's some half-hearted attack, Aja, it was kind of weak
I wasn't insinuating that you hold a grudge towards academics. I was making fun of the fact that you found Life of Pi to be a difficult read, because as far this type of thing goes, Pi is easy.
Scots Taffer on 5/10/2006 at 10:32
Shit, I decimated Focault's Pendulum, and Life of Pi couldn't hold a candle to it in terms of its academic nature or esoteric content or bloody entertainment value, so you're wrong there. The actual quality of writing and way of dealing with the subject matter figures highly.
And Stitch: fair enough, fair enough. I had read through all the comments on what the "full" story was about though before I offered my partial opinion.
ercles on 5/10/2006 at 10:52
Well this time I will formally nominate Dirt Music by Tim Winton.
Stitch on 2/11/2006 at 16:26
Time to discuss <U>Ender's Game</U>, people. I'll mostly sit this one out as I read the book a year ago and didn't feel like giving it a reread, but I'll probably toss in a comment or two here and there.
SPOILERS TO FOLLOW
Morte on 2/11/2006 at 17:30
So yeah. Ender's Game. I read it about half a year ago, but I'm going to go ahead and comment anyway.
Also, I'm a bit DUNK right now, so be warned.
And of course SPOILERS.
First of all, it's a very well written piece of genre fiction. Card gets you on Ender's side immidiately, and doesn't let got until the very end.
Which is it core conceit, seeng how Ender's Game is a horrendously manipulative and masturbatory piece of teenage victim fantasy.
It taps into those feelings of alienation and victimisation that most teenagers, and most certainly nerds, have or have had. Ender is always the perpetual victim. No matter how horrendous a deed he commits, whether it be driving the nose-bone of whatshisname into his brain in the showers, kicking a playground bully in the groin until he dies, or outright genocide, it's always framed in a way that makes Ender innocent. It's not a savage act of violence, it's just "defeating the enemy, utterly". Or it's because he was decieved by adults. Adult's who by the way betray him at every turn, from the very beginning. And even though he's the man who defeated the Buggers, he gets blamed for it in the end, and even though he believed it a training exercise, he blames himself as well, even though Card makes it clear that we're supposed to think him innocent innocent INNOCENT it's all VICTIM VICTIM VICTIM.
Just URRGHH
Fucking morally repugnant piece of shit.
ignatios on 2/11/2006 at 17:52
Thread over!
Also I want to draw attention to this:
Quote Posted by Morte
DUNK
:D
