Scots Taffer on 20/2/2014 at 03:59
So we aren't talking about 2014's answer to Twin Peaks?
We should be.
Renzatic on 20/2/2014 at 04:44
That's a bold claim to make, Scots. Let's see how right you are.
edit: It's already off to a good start. Of all the awesome HBO show intros I've seen, that one was easily the most stylish.
Scots Taffer on 20/2/2014 at 05:33
For those who are up to date, let's talk some ideas. Serious fucking spoilers yo.
Cohle and Hart are unreliable narrators, we know this for sure.
They didn't "fall out in '02" - that's just what they want everyone to think.
Cohle went "off the grid" to find the Yellow King.
Hart stayed in the force and climbed the ladder.
Cohle and Hart have been continuing the investigation since 2002.
With that idea then... let's consider:
Cohle's video interrogation is inadmissable due to him drinking. He wasn't there to help them. As Hart observed, he was there to "read them". Why?
Hart didn't see "what under his nose" - his daughter's sex drawings, the dolls in gang rape pose; obvious signs of sexual abuse - but he apparently sees it now. What does he see?
Cohle has a "redacted" history - why is this and who redacted it?
This is where I think it gets fucked up and the Yellow King reference, the spiral, the cult, the rich men, and the circular & repetitive nature of the universe all come to bear.
Scots Taffer on 20/2/2014 at 05:35
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SubJeff on 20/2/2014 at 07:52
What?!
Must gets watches.
ToolHead on 20/2/2014 at 07:54
Some of us have raved about it here already.
Deserves a thread of its own, though. :-)
Scots Taffer on 20/2/2014 at 10:09
Or...
They do fall out. Why?
What could make these two - partners for many years, seemingly fast friends following the triumph of the case, people who share a deep dark secret about a covered-up murder together - fall out?
Maggie.
Further substance to this is that we hear about the fall out in the next episode from her.
A potential spoiler she drops in an interview is that "You really kind of discover ultimately how cunning and devastating she is and both of the men truly make the mistake of underestimating her."
What does that mean for her? And how is that linked to their daughter and Marty's sad musings on the "detective's curse"?
What was under his nose? What does Cohle find out that causes them to fall out?
ToolHead on 20/2/2014 at 14:04
Interesting points, Scots. So many possibilities, so many questions.
How this can all be wrapped up in a measly three additional episodes is beyond me... I really hope we'll have some loose ends left after the final episode. Preferably a nice, juicy mystery or a really fucked up and twisted, plain WRONG finale. A bit like Twin Peaks, really.
Gryzemuis on 21/2/2014 at 01:49
Thanks for mentioning this series. I hadn't heard of it. I just finished watching the first episode tonight. Pretty awesome. Gonna watch E2-E5 later this week. And yes, I was a big Twin Peaks fan, twenty-something years ago. I can already see some similarities in the first episode.
Renzatic on 21/2/2014 at 03:30
It's not exactly like Twin Peaks, but it does touch on the same themes. The biggest one being that just below a surface of calm and normalcy lies a foundation of insanity and strangeness. Though unlike Twin Peaks, which liked to wear its craziness on its sleeve, this show is much more low key about it, and makes it feel that much more sinister because of it.
It's like this evil, or insanity, or whatever you want to call it, is something that effects everyone. They always feel it, are always at least slightly aware of its presence, but it's never overt. Most people go through their entire lives without looking at it directly. Though there are a few who do. They'll go looking for it, and they'll inevitably find it, and when they do, it'll draw them into itself, wrap them up into it, then eventually drag them down. This is what I think the spiral represents, the twisted path everyone eventually follows, or the whirlpool that drags everyone down into chaos. The Yellow King is whoever is currently under the direct influence of it, and it can be anyone at any time. I think Russ and Martin eventually found what they were looking for, and at least one of them has acted as The Yellow King by the time of the interviews.
And it's influence extends far beyond a bunch of methheads and trailer trash. Tuttle, the guy you see just once during the first episode, and gets mentioned in passing during this most recent one, I bet he's played his part. Same as his brother. And if they're involved, a lot of other people in lofty positions can be involved as well. It's a game, a ritual, a cult, and they all worship The Yellow King.
Because as Russ says, they found something dark and deep