Digital Nightfall on 19/5/2007 at 01:26
The bizarre look of the transformers is intentional by Bay who is, admittedly, not a fan of the old toon or toys. That's Spielberg's role. He's said that he wants them to appear alien and unfamiliar - not something people can feel comfortable about or identify with. Weather or not this will be a good thing for the movie on the other hand, is another story. It's not good for the fans. From the look of the production art, they tried to be the most true with Optimus Prime, the most iconic of the bunch.
I think Bay got what he wanted. But what Bay wants with this movie has never been about what a fan, or the fans, want.
But then again, pandering to the fans is, I believe, exactly what killed the Star Trek Next Gen movie franchise. The whole set of them seemed more like fanfictions than a part of the series.
I don't think we'll need to worry about that with this.
Dirty_Brute on 19/5/2007 at 03:47
This is a type of movie the Japanese would make. They must have made hundreds of movies with cool robots and stuff since the 60s. I am suprised they haven't picked up the rights for Transformers and made a movie already.
The_Raven on 19/5/2007 at 03:55
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I believe, exactly what killed the Star Trek Next Gen movie franchise. The whole set of them seemed more like fanfictions than a part of the series.
A lot of this is true. Still, First Contact was a good movie, and I'm sure most fans didn't want Captain Kirk to die a wimpy death.
Digital Nightfall on 19/5/2007 at 04:02
Making Kirk and Picard meet was fanservice. Making Kirk die a pathetic death was just bad writing.
First Contact was okay, but Best of Both Worlds was far better.
Anyway, </startrek> :cheeky:
Malygris on 19/5/2007 at 04:49
Having seen stills of the Transformers who do not look like Transformers, I decided on the spot that I wouldn't see the movie. As a nerdy fanboy, I take a certain pride in my belief that there is indeed a significant difference between Transformers and giant robots that transform into other things.
But this afternoon, I watched the trailer, and dammit, now the urge to see the thing is back. I'm still not happy about the Transformers not looking like Transformers, but it does look pretty cool, and my will is weak.
ZylonBane on 19/5/2007 at 05:24
Quote Posted by Digital Nightfall
But then again, pandering to the fans is, I believe, exactly what killed the Star Trek Next Gen movie franchise. The whole set of them seemed more like fanfictions than a part of the series.
I could have sworn that bad movies killed off the Star Trek franchise. The ones that were actually good, did well. The ones that weren't, didn't. No great mystery there.
I don't get your "part of a series" comment. The Bond films have precious little to do with each other and they've been going strong for decades.
Digital Nightfall on 19/5/2007 at 05:58
I can't explain the success of the bond movies. But I do know that the movies are adaptations of novels. A Bond movie is just some director and some actor's take on existing material, material that won't chage no matter how much their adaptation distorts it. A Bond movie can never be, on the other hand, a part of the series of novels. It's the same way they can keep making Batman movies that have nothing to do with eachother - they're all just someone else's take on existing material, but they can never really become a part of the comic series.
Star Trek on the other hand exists as TV, and, at least with the original six, the movies were a direct continuation of the original series.
The TNG movies struck me as not so much a continuation of the TV series, which here would be the equivalent of the original James Bond novels, but more like, well, the James Bond movies - adaptations made by fans and studios and people who didn't always feel so inclined to pay any close attention to the source material, but tried to satiate the fans with trivia and other nonsense.
henke on 19/5/2007 at 12:16
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I'm still not happy about the Transformers not looking like Transformers
What, like this?
Inline Image:
http://backintheday.blogharbor.com/optimus_prime.jpgNo offence, I loved Transformers back in the day too, but something like that running around in a live-action movie would be pretty gay.
Thirith on 19/5/2007 at 12:24
Quote Posted by Digital Nightfall
But then again, pandering to the fans is, I believe, exactly what killed the Star Trek Next Gen movie franchise. The whole set of them seemed more like fanfictions than a part of the series.
I'm honestly not sure what you're getting at here. Fanfics are not really about what the fans want - they're about what one fan wants, namely the one writing the specific fanfic. And it was the fans as much as the general audiences that hated (or at the very least disliked) Star Trek: Insurrection and Star Trek: Nemesis for its many flaws.
