Shug on 13/4/2006 at 03:22
Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky
There is so much bad information flying around in this thread that it makes me want to cry.
With all due RESPEST
AxTng1 on 13/4/2006 at 03:30
Hey I heard that some parts of the world have different legal systems confirm/deny?
kingofthenet on 13/4/2006 at 09:38
Your are WRONG about Art, when you sell an Original, all copyrights go with it unless specially laid out is common practice although technically wrong, most artists know when they sell an original to a gallery, it is going to be used for a print run. I know people who bought orginals oils, had a run of prints made and sold them, without the artist getting one extra dime. I am in the art business ,so I always make a contract that specifies copyrights go with the art, if I plan to make a run, but to do this an Artist is going to want alot more than normal. I have done many runs myself but usually pay the Artist a small amout to Sign/Number the prints in addition to the price for the original.
Shug on 15/4/2006 at 07:53
no your are wrong
Matthew on 19/4/2006 at 10:28
Though of course Sir Cliff is currently trying to get sound recording protection extended to match copyright.
Marecki on 19/4/2006 at 13:13
YMMV depending on your local laws, but AFAIR most European countries take the following approach here: it's fully legal to download works of art off the network, even if you don't or didn't pay for it... It's letting other download them from you which is illegal. The problem is, since pretty much all P2P apps work both ways (even BitTorrent, since as long as you're downloading a file you're also sharing the parts you've already got) the government has every right to nail you if they feel like it, with the "feel like it" part depending on the country.
In other words, use FTP :cheeky:
Deep Qantas on 20/4/2006 at 01:06
Quote Posted by Starrfall
So when you hear about how stealing cable is a crime, it's all a lie? Sweet. I'm gonna get me some of that action.
"Stealing cable" is not a crime. It's a misnomer.
Well, it's a crime too, but that's besides the point. ;)
Ultraviolet on 20/4/2006 at 01:27
I find it hilarious that the conservatives usually side with anti-piracy (because it allows tighter control through police state tech) stuff, while the Bible specifically states that one is not to pick one's fields bare at harvest, but leave enough scratch behind for the poor to eat (and to rot into the soil for better soil, whereas today and in centures past we plant tobacco and cotton and barely observe crop rotation and so on), because it is not YOUR harvest, it is GODs, and he says you may have some of it.
I think it's the same for any product of human labor. If the buying and selling of the fruits is beneficial to the greater good, though, then let it be bought and sold. Trade is for the mutual good of all participating parties, the trade itself being an honorable labor. The sale of entertainment and software, though... how much does that really put back into all of our hands? Doesn't it just make the rich richer? Don't automated assembly-lines scribble data on the CDs? Don't the already rich actors just get a few more million to blow on coke? (Lolz blow on coke see wut i did.) Don't the studios just get more billions to blow on coke? (That is the Hollywood drug of choice, right?)
I forget, are we debating crime or are we debating morality?
BlackCapedManX on 20/4/2006 at 01:57
In response to Nicker and kingofthenet.
Being an artist, I look at it sort of like this (it could be wrong, but this is how I at least interpret it until I bother to do research):
1.) I make a painting and copywrite it. I put an image of it on my website in a high resolution format for free download. Can you DL it? Yes. Can you make a high res poster and put it on your wall? Yes. I sell the painting but retain copywrite and intellectual property rights. The image remains on the web, can you still do the above? Yes. I sell rights for a specified quantity (even if it is specified as unlimited) of print to whomever. Can you still do the above? Yes. In either case can you sell the home printed posters for profit? No. Can you resell aquired posters or charge for the cost of materials to print (because you magically have (
http://www.colex.com/laserlab.html) one of these)? Yes.
2.) I make a painting and copywrite it. I sell the painting and rights to run prints to whomever. You buy a postcard or A4 sized print. Can you scan it into your computer and maked a bigger wall poster..... NO! (stipulations possibly allow for this to be okay if the only people allowed to sell the print aren't selling it in a convenient size... because you're still only getting whatever quality they offer you. This connects to my beleif that if no one is selling an old game and thus no one could potentially profit off of it, then it should be free for download, unless the owners of the right to publish decided to do another run, similarly you should be able to scan in the image and put it on your PC as long as they don't sell wallpapers... which I think would be lame, but for continuity's sake I think appropriate).
Brought to the world of music:
Me and my kick ass band (yeah right) record an album and copywrite the music. We put the music free online (obviously, you can DL it), also we sell the rights to whomever to do a specified run of CDs. Can you still DL and distribute (for non-profit) the music for free? Hells yeah (I think if the majority of mainstream music were don't by artists and not entertainers... this would be the norm). We hold a concert and you get tickets to go see. Can you record and distribute the concert music? No. A live recording was done and whomever sells CDs of it. Well, you went to see it, can you DL the recording? No. Can you buy it and put the music on your PC to listen to with the rest of the free music you downloaded from our site? Yes.
Me and my kick ass band record an album and copywrite the music. We sell all rights to the RIAA (oh fuckwad). Can you downl-No. How about mp-No. But I o-No. Why not? Because the RIAA hates you and everything you love.
The End.
