kingofthenet on 11/4/2006 at 04:07
Quote Posted by Gingerbread Man
Yeah, because if I had a bike and someone stole it then as long as I make sure only to steal the exact same model from someone else, that's fine.
Oh OH WAIT I HAVE ANOTHER ONE!
It's like if I had a $10 bill and someone stole it from my wallet and the I go and steal a ten dollar bill (and ONLY a ten dollar bill, not to fives, not ten ones, not half a twenty) from a cash register somewhere. That's all fine and legal rite guys? guys?
WHAT KIND OF AN IDIOT QUESTION IS THIS
With all due respest GBman, you are talking shit. You aren't stealing from a third party like you try and make it out, oh are you one of those dudes that keep buying the SAME album over and over because the Media got messed up, look at it this way, I used to work for a college and we had to upgrade to XP(a while ago) we have over 1000 computers, do you think our distrubtor sends up 1000 retail boxes? No we get a License for 1000 and they ask us how many disks we need, say we want 50, they charge us for the disks like 5 bucks each, and if we need more for whatever reason just call up the distributor and bam they send them out. Same with music "The License" is the original disk, as long as you only have that content "however you get it, your OK
Fig455 on 11/4/2006 at 04:11
Quote Posted by Gingerbread Man
WHAT KIND OF AN IDIOT QUESTION IS THIS
Um,,,yeah. I forgot. Can't ask questions without getting flamed. By a mod no less. Poor form.
Anyway, the reason I ask....is that w/a lot of media you are allowed to have/make copies of your retail copy. All I am asking is, would this simply be like having a copy , or not?
Rug Burn Junky on 11/4/2006 at 04:16
Quote Posted by kingofthenet
With all due respest GBman, you are talking shit.
NO U R
driver on 11/4/2006 at 04:18
Quote Posted by kingofthenet
With all due respest GBman, you are talking shit. You aren't stealing from a third party like you try and make it out, oh are you one of those dudes that keep buying the SAME album over and over because the Media got messed up, look at it this way, I used to work for a college and we had to upgrade to XP(a while ago) we have over 1000 computers, do you think our distrubtor sends up 1000 retail boxes? No we get a License for 1000 and they ask us how many disks we need, say we want 50, they charge us for the disks like 5 bucks each, and if we need more for whatever reason just call up the distributor and bam they send them out. Same with music "The License" is the original disk, as long as you only have that content "however you get it, your OK
Try that line in court and see how far it gets you*.
*Hint, about as far as the nearest prison
AxTng1 on 11/4/2006 at 04:33
Quote Posted by Gingerbread Man
You just keep telling yourself that, bubba.
lol
I download something from Napster
And the same guy I downloaded it from starts downloading it from me when I'm done
I message him and say "What are you doing? I just got that from you"
"getting my song back fucker"
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http://bash.org/?104052) Bash Quote 104052
Theft is only theft if whoever you stole it from doesn't have it anymore. As any fule kno.
Fringe on 11/4/2006 at 04:37
Quote Posted by Gingerbread Man
You just keep telling yourself that, bubba.
oh i will :cool:
Also: i r dumb, so maybe I just need to be sat down and told, very slowly, by a big growned-up, how it is a moral theft.
Starrfall on 11/4/2006 at 04:40
Quote Posted by AxTng1
Theft is only theft if whoever you stole it from doesn't have it anymore. As any fule kno.
So when you hear about how stealing cable is a crime, it's all a lie? Sweet. I'm gonna get me some of that action.
AxTng1 on 11/4/2006 at 04:43
Quote Posted by Starrfall
So when you hear about how stealing cable is a crime, it's all a lie? Sweet. I'm gonna get me some of that action.
OK I walked into that, but literally I don't think it's "theft". I know it's illegal, and there are most likely official terms used to describe it, data piracy or whatever. I'm not saying it's legal, or right. Just that it's not theft.
Gingerbread Man on 11/4/2006 at 04:44
For what it's worth, I question the moral and legal arguments that say people can't download music, regardless of whether or not they've bought it previously. I have a serious problem with the RIAA telling me as a Canadian that I can't obtain music from some Finnish band who aren't even signed to an American label. The only people who have the right to tell me I can't do that are the Finnish musicians whose music I want to download.
I also SERIOUSLY don't like the recent mutterings (ridiculous on its face as it may be, it's still a sinister start) that making copies of stuff you actually do own -- for instance, ripping a CD so you can listen to it on your iPod -- is unacceptable use. I know they aren't going to get anywhere with that noise, but it pissses me off that someone even thought to say that.
None of that is relevant, however. The question was "Is this legal?"
The answer is "No, it isn't"
And yes, it does depend on where you live. I'm not sure if they've changed it (they threatened they would) but in Canada we pay a levee on recordable media which ostensibly goes to cover whatever royalties / fees / copyright kickback is necessary when we make a copy of something. Under that idea, we are allowed to make a copy of anything we purchase or are given (provided we are given an original copy), and are therefore allowed -- technically -- to download anything we like secure in the hilariously bogus belief that we are simply availing ourselves to a copy of an original. We're not allowed to offer anything for UPLOAD, on the other hand. Which would probably make us the pariahs of the P2P scene if we actually followed the law in this regard.
As far as the idiot nature of this thread goes, it's pretty clear to me that what is being sought is some kind of moral support, and to be honest who the fuuuuuuuck cares? You want to download shit, that's between you, your conscience, and the laws of wherever you live. That equation nearly invariably comes down on the side of "well, hell, I'll download it then" without the need for justifications, discussion, stories about how you keep every receipt from every album you ever buy, and other irrelevant mumbo-jumbo like that.
You asked if it's legal, it ain't. You asked "well, in this specific circumstance where I actually DID own the stuff legitimately, is it legal" and it still ain't.
Does the legality even matter in this situation? If I say it's illegal, will that change your mind? If you thought it was immoral to do it, but I told you it was legal, would that change your mind?
This is pretty much an archetypal HAY GUYS thread. What the fuck did you THINK I was going to do to it?
And then King of the Retards goes all armchair on me, which -- incidentally -- made me laugh hard enough to scare the dogs, and all of a sudden OH NO IM THE BAD GUY BECAUSE ITS NOT LEGAL
You dongs.
Turtle on 11/4/2006 at 04:48
Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky
HAY GUYS, MAYBE ITS NOT A THEFT BECAUSE ITS COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT.
Just for reference, that is the only intelligent statement in this thread thus far.
